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On Apr 23, 2014 4:29 AM, "Reindl Harald" <<a href="mailto:h.reindl@thelounge.net">h.reindl@thelounge.net</a>> wrote:<br>
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> Am 23.04.2014 07:52, schrieb Liam:<br>
> > On Apr 22, 2014 5:09 AM, "Christian Schaller" wrote:<br>
> >> I think this is a misunderstanding of who a developer might be and why they choose<br>
> >> a system. Those of my friends and acquaintances, who are developers and who over the<br>
> >> years have decided to switch their development laptops from Linux to predominantly<br>
> >> MacOS X, has not done so because they had things they wanted to do that was<br>
> >> 'impossible' to do with Linux or that they thought they could not figure out how to<br>
> >> do with linux. Instead they moved because they got tired of spending time trying to<br>
> >> make their system 'work'. This is in no way limited to dealing with the challenges<br>
> >> of a firewall, but if we want to attract developers or any kind of user to our<br>
> >> system we need to make it usable without needing daily google searches<br>
> >> to figure out how you can do something and make parts of your system work.<br>
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> the daily google searches are much more because interfaces are permanently<br>
> replaced - be it GUI's or CLI interfaces and configurations get invalid<br>
> due all that replacements - *there* is the problem - what you know today<br>
> maybe in 3 years as ivalid as what you learend 5 years ago about a Fedora<br>
> system and whatever you find with Google is quentionable and likely outdated<br>
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> smart replacements whould keep interfaces as they are and only replace<br>
> the code behind and add some options but not break the semantic<br>
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> > The fact of the matter is that there's really no compelling reason for the average web<br>
> > developer, for instance, to move to Linux. Osx is already more powerful than any linux<br>
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> stop that<br>
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> i face every single day the opposite because on the other side<br>
> of my desk is a OSX machine, terrible slow with the same CPU and<br>
> a unacceptable usability compared with a recent KDE because you<br>
> can't do this and that<br>
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> the usability part may be subjectively, the terrible slow is not<br>
> given both of our machines have the same CPU<br>
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Umm....OK....</p>
<p dir="ltr">I'm speaking about what I see in general and not osx's efficiency but how it is used. Osx provides nice Unix underpinnings, tremendous battery life, hugely vibrant developer ecosystem, and can run many Linux programs.<br>
IMHO, the only possible path to those users is to provide a system that helps them do their work more easily. Exactly what that entails I don't know and, without some very targeted questioning, I don't think it likely we'll happen upon the answer. Simply developing the facade of osx, without the sophistication hidden beneath, is a sure way to turn off potential switchers because, currently, we can't offer a comparable experience.</p>