<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote">On 20 June 2014 11:50, Reindl Harald <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:h.reindl@thelounge.net" target="_blank">h.reindl@thelounge.net</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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Am 20.06.2014 12:36, schrieb Mat Booth:<br>
<div class="">> On 20 June 2014 11:19, Reindl Harald <<a href="mailto:h.reindl@thelounge.net">h.reindl@thelounge.net</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:h.reindl@thelounge.net">h.reindl@thelounge.net</a>>> wrote:<br>
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> Am 20.06.2014 11:57, schrieb Mat Booth:<br>
> > On 20 June 2014 10:19, Reindl Harald <<a href="mailto:h.reindl@thelounge.net">h.reindl@thelounge.net</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:h.reindl@thelounge.net">h.reindl@thelounge.net</a>><br>
</div><div class="">> <mailto:<a href="mailto:h.reindl@thelounge.net">h.reindl@thelounge.net</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:h.reindl@thelounge.net">h.reindl@thelounge.net</a>>>> wrote:<br>
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> > Am 20.06.2014 08:55, schrieb drago01:<br>
> > > On Thu, Jun 19, 2014 at 8:59 PM, Jared K. Smith<br>
</div>> > > <<a href="mailto:jsmith@fedoraproject.org">jsmith@fedoraproject.org</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:jsmith@fedoraproject.org">jsmith@fedoraproject.org</a>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:jsmith@fedoraproject.org">jsmith@fedoraproject.org</a><br>
<div class="">> <mailto:<a href="mailto:jsmith@fedoraproject.org">jsmith@fedoraproject.org</a>>>> wrote:<br>
> > >> On Thu, Jun 19, 2014 at 2:01 PM, Reindl Harald <<a href="mailto:h.reindl@thelounge.net">h.reindl@thelounge.net</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:h.reindl@thelounge.net">h.reindl@thelounge.net</a>><br>
</div>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:h.reindl@thelounge.net">h.reindl@thelounge.net</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:h.reindl@thelounge.net">h.reindl@thelounge.net</a>>>><br>
<div><div class="h5">> > >> wrote:<br>
> > >> Whether you like it or not, one of the most common complaints about yum<br>
> > >> (especially from people coming from another package management system) is<br>
> > >> that it seems slow because of the necessity to download the metadata. The<br>
> > >> DNF developers -- in trying to address this common complaint -- had solved<br>
> > >> it by handling metadata in a different way. They've also added settings so<br>
> > >> that power users like you and I can tune it to better fit our particular<br>
> > >> needs.<br>
> > >><br>
> > >>> and *no* traffic is not cheap everywhere, by far not<br>
> > >><br>
> > >> I probably understand this better than a lot of people on this list, as I've<br>
> > >> been on a bandwidth-limited connection for the past nine years. Only in the<br>
> > >> past month have I been able to get high speed internet in my home that<br>
> > >> wasn't limited to a few gigabytes per month. So yes, I completely<br>
> > >> understand that traffic isn't cheap (or fast) everywhere.<br>
> > ><br>
> > > It should be at least smart enough to not do it on mobile broadband<br>
> > > (like packagekit does)<br>
> ><br>
> > how should it do that?<br>
> ><br>
> > it's imagination that any software knows anything about the internet connection<br>
> > even 11 years ago with a 56k modem that access was shared for my LAN and so<br>
> > the only thing the notebook knew about the inernet was "appears to be slow"<br>
> ><br>
> > IIRC, NetworkManager's DBus API should be able to give you that information<br>
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> from where should it get that information if your network connection is<br>
> a Gigabit-Ethernet LAN to the router with a slow DSL upstream?<br>
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> your whole machine has no idea about your WAN connection<br>
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> Woah there... The suggestion was to simply let it be "smart enough to not do it on mobile broadband" to which you<br>
> asked "how?"<br>
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> I answered only that question<br>
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</div></div>again:<br>
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* 3G stick aka mobile broadband as WAN connection<br>
* that WAN connection is shared in the LAN<br>
* the single machines don't know anything about the WAN connection<br>
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believe it or not, but here in austria it's not uncommon to get a<br>
box with 3G and on the other end a ethernet-port where you connect<br>
your devices and have some hundret MB per month<br>
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in the meantime many of that packages are going in the direction<br>
ulimited traffic, but that's nothing you can be sure about as<br>
OS supplier<br>
<br clear="all"></blockquote></div><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">Well sure, but there's no sense in throwing out all imperfect solutions because of a desire for perfection. Don't you agree that a good first step would be to teach DNF how to talk to NetworkManager?<br>
<br></div><div class="gmail_extra">3G internet is common in my locale too -- this would at least cover the use case of connecting with a 3G dongle or tethered mobile phone.<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br>-- <br>Mat Booth<br>
<a href="http://fedoraproject.org/get-fedora" target="_blank">http://fedoraproject.org/get-fedora</a>
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