<div dir="ltr"><br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 8 December 2014 at 16:17, Mike Pinkerton <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:pselists@mindspring.com" target="_blank">pselists@mindspring.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span class=""><br></span><span class=""><br>
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We could have decided to double-down on growing that enthusiast<br>
segment, but, first, that's not what the people who showed up to do the<br>
work decided; and second, I actually think we continue to serve the<br>
hackers and tinkerers very nicely with the spins and nonproduct option.<br>
What we're not doing is expanding<br>
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I'm not suggesting that Fedora not expand into a new market segment. I'm simply suggesting that you not abandon existing users in order to do so.<span class=""><br>
<br></span></blockquote><div><br></div><div>That works in a standard commercial environment where you are able to get the original users to 'give payment' which helps continual funding that work. However in a volunteer organization.. if people don't do the work, then it isn't going to get done. And there is always a lot of work in keeping something going from release to release. </div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span class="">
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I also think you're also kind of setting up an argument against<br>
something no-one is for. "Secure by default" is a not a well-defined<br>
term,<br>
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I can't quite parse that, but I think you are intentionally misunderstanding what I wrote. "Secure by default" might not be a detailed specification, but it is certainly understood as a general user expectation, one that I think Fedora has heretofore generally met.<span class=""><br>
<br></span></blockquote><div><br></div><div>No, even in the security community.. it has no single idea. I have spent more time getting multiple teams to define each's version of "secure by default" so that they quit arguing that the other guys aren't that way.. I don't agree with how the firewall is setup on workstation, but I have seen multiple definitions that match "secure by default" that it still meets.</div></div><div><br></div>-- <br><div class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr">Stephen J Smoogen.<br><br></div></div>
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