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On Dec 9, 2014 1:31 PM, "Reindl Harald" <<a href="mailto:h.reindl@thelounge.net">h.reindl@thelounge.net</a>> wrote:<br>
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> Am 09.12.2014 um 21:25 schrieb Pete Travis:<br>
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>> Lets say I do have an understanding of network basics, just for the sake<br>
>> of argument. I share my application with you. The application is<br>
>> intended to listen on the network, you know this and want the<br>
>> application for that purpose. You run the application, it tries to<br>
>> listen to a network port. Magick, prayers, and the ghost of Charles<br>
>> Babbage - or maybe some hypothetical dbus service- does *something* to<br>
>> find out if you really wanted that. You did. Neither one of us is is<br>
>> made incompetent by the convenience.<br>
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> i did not say that nor is anything i said in that thread meant abusive</p>
<p dir="ltr">Of course not. I didn't feel insulted at all. My point is that me as the hypothetical dev, you as the hypothetical tester, and the general public as a hypothetical user base would *all* have a better life if some hypothetical solution existed for my app to ask the firewall for something and for the user to approve it. </p>
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>> Here's the thing: firewalld will let this happen. at here is a dbus<br>
>> interface. Thomas has proven more than willing to accommodate RFEs.<br>
>> Nobody is asking for changes that would solve the problem of frustrated<br>
>> users or developers encountering firewall restrictions. The GNOME folks<br>
>> don't want the UX compromise of rote-clicked dialogs. Nobody else is<br>
>> suggesting an alternative implementation that actually *improves* the<br>
>> Fedora experience. Ideas get more traction than complaints<br>
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> *but* if i do not have a idea to make things really better with all side-effects i hestitate to change the current behavior until i have a good idea<br>
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> the opposite happened with the change of this topic<br>
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<p dir="ltr">Right, I think we're on the same page now. If there's some consensus about a desired behavior, interested parties can start working on it. There's two sides with an all-or-nothing position here, innovation does not come from that.</p>
<p dir="ltr">--Pete</p>