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</style><i><b>Michael Catanzaro <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:mcatanzaro@gnome.org"><mcatanzaro@gnome.org></a></b></i>
wrote on Sun, 28 Dec 2014 11:05:00 -0600:</div>
<blockquote cite="mid:1419786300.9701.0@smtp.googlemail.com"
type="cite">On Sun, Dec 28, 2014 at 9:48 AM, Alec Leamas
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:leamas.alec@gmail.com"><leamas.alec@gmail.com></a> wrote:<br>
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<div class="plaintext" style="white-space: pre-wrap;">Possibly.
But isn't there quite a difference between the "novice user"
and the Fedora Workstation target user i. e., developers?
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<div>Not necessarily. I wrote:</div>
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<div>"Yes, Workstation targets developers, but not exclusively,
and also developers who use fancy IDEs and who don't work with
the terminal. I just don't want this thread to degenerate into a
discussion of this lousy definition [of normal/novice users],
since it's not important. What's important is that we want
Workstation to be excellent for users who never touch the
terminal."</div>
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<div>Fedora currently suffers from the impression that it is a
complicated OS for advanced users only, and that novices
(including novice developers) should use Ubuntu instead.</div>
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Well, I was really surprised that developers are considered a target
audience here. GNOME Software *might* be considered good enough for
normal users, but its far from usable for a developer; even a
developer who don't want to touch the terminal. Actually, it is
*terrible* for such a developer. Why?<br>
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1. He search for "C++" and .... (I doubt that it tries to interpret
it as a regular expression or something. Probably it thinks that the
user is an idiot and removes "+" signs on behalf of him).<br>
2. He has installed Eclipse + CDT and hopefully he can compile his
C++ programs with GCC. Now, he learns about Clang and would like to
try it.<br>
3. He is using an x86_64 system, but he happen to need to compile
his program for 32bit systems. or even cross-compile for ARM.<br>
4. He needs a networking library, or want to use Boost, or ....<br>
<br>
GNOME Software is not that useful for a developer. As Rechard
himself said, he'll need a package manager anyway. So, If
Workstation product really targets developers, specially the ones
who don't want to use terminal, it MUST include a graphical package
manager.<br>
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Regards,<br>
Hedayat<br>
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