<pre><a name="l-1"></a><span class="tm">00:00:59</span><span class="nk"> <Sparks></span> <span class="cmd">#startmeeting </span><span class="cmdline">Docs Project Meeting - Agenda: <a href="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_meetings">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_meetings</a></span><br>
<a name="l-2"></a><span class="tm">00:00:59</span><span class="nk"> <zodbot></span> Meeting started Thu Oct 29 00:00:59 2009 UTC. The chair is Sparks. Information about MeetBot at <a href="http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot">http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot</a>.<br>
<a name="l-3"></a><span class="tm">00:00:59</span><span class="nk"> <zodbot></span> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic.<br><a name="l-4"></a><span class="tm">00:00:59</span><span class="nk"> <quaid></span> oi<br>
<a name="l-5"></a><span class="tm">00:01:02</span><span class="nk"> <Sparks></span> <span class="topic">#topic </span><span class="topicline">Roll Call</span><br><a name="l-6"></a><span class="tm">00:01:04 </span><span class="nka">* Sparks</span> <span class="ac"></span><br>
<a name="l-7"></a><span class="tm">00:01:15 </span><span class="nka">* rudi</span> <span class="ac">is here</span><br><a name="l-8"></a><span class="tm">00:01:18 </span><span class="nka">* Sparks</span> <span class="ac">wonders if zodbot was asleep</span><br>
<a name="l-9"></a><span class="tm">00:01:22 </span><span class="nka">* marwalk</span> <span class="ac">.</span><br><a name="l-10"></a><span class="tm">00:01:24 </span><span class="nka">* jjmcd</span> <span class="ac">is here</span><br>
<a name="l-11"></a><span class="tm">00:02:47 </span><span class="nka">* danielsmw</span> <span class="ac">is making ramen but will be back in 2:15</span><br><a name="l-12"></a><span class="tm">00:03:00</span><span class="nk"> <Sparks></span> <span class="cmd">#chair </span><span class="cmdline">jjmcd</span><br>
<a name="l-13"></a><span class="tm">00:03:00</span><span class="nk"> <zodbot></span> Current chairs: Sparks jjmcd<br><a name="l-14"></a><span class="tm">00:03:24 </span><span class="nka">* jjmcd</span> <span class="ac">wonders whether that is like alternate NCS</span><br>
<a name="l-15"></a><span class="tm">00:03:42</span><span class="nk"> <Sparks></span> <span class="hi">jjmcd:</span> Yes<br><a name="l-16"></a><span class="tm">00:03:50</span><span class="nk"> <Sparks></span> <span class="hi">jjmcd:</span> I know what happened last week.<br>
<a name="l-17"></a><span class="tm">00:04:02</span><span class="nk"> <jjmcd></span> Bah ... I guess I'll have to pay attention<br><a name="l-18"></a><span class="tm">00:04:22</span><span class="nk"> <Sparks></span> <span class="hi">quaid:</span> nice of you to join us tonight!<br>
<a name="l-19"></a><span class="tm">00:05:19</span><span class="nk"> <Sparks></span> Okay, on with the show!<br><a name="l-20"></a><span class="tm">00:05:24</span><span class="nk"> <Sparks></span> <span class="topic">#topic </span><span class="topicline">Release Announcement</span><br>
<a name="l-21"></a><span class="tm">00:05:54</span><span class="nk"> <Sparks></span> Last week we decided that the Release Announcement needed to be complete no later than 10 Nov.<br><a name="l-22"></a><span class="tm">00:06:11</span><span class="nk"> <Sparks></span> I think there is already work being done on it.<br>
<a name="l-23"></a><span class="tm">00:06:30</span><span class="nk"> <Sparks></span> Would anyone like to step up and take on this project?<br><a name="l-24"></a><span class="tm">00:07:20</span><span class="nk"> <Sparks></span> This would be a quick project that would be good for a new or experienced member.<br>
<a name="l-25"></a><span class="tm">00:07:35 </span><span class="nka">* jjmcd</span> <span class="ac">will be putting together the rpm around that time</span><br><a name="l-26"></a><span class="tm">00:08:00</span><span class="nk"> <Sparks></span> <span class="hi">jjmcd:</span> You're excused this time<br>
<a name="l-27"></a><span class="tm">00:08:44</span><span class="nk"> <Sparks></span> Well, I'll put out another plea later.<br><a name="l-28"></a><span class="tm">00:09:00</span><span class="nk"> <Sparks></span> <span class="topic">#topic </span><span class="topicline">Release Notes</span><br>
<a name="l-29"></a><span class="tm">00:09:02</span><span class="nk"> <jjmcd></span> Isn't this one supposed to be mostly marketing?<br><a name="l-30"></a><span class="tm">00:09:08</span><span class="nk"> <jjmcd></span> OK, RNs<br>
<a name="l-31"></a><span class="tm">00:09:13</span><span class="nk"> <Sparks></span> <span class="hi">jjmcd:</span> How are things going?<br><a name="l-32"></a><span class="tm">00:09:32</span><span class="nk"> <jjmcd></span> Thanks to rudi, the GA POs went to L10N behind the original schedule but ahead of the current schedule<br>
<a name="l-33"></a><span class="tm">00:10:03</span><span class="nk"> <jjmcd></span> Also, I marked all the beats so folks don't sneak things in there<br><a name="l-34"></a><span class="tm">00:10:25</span><span class="nk"> <jjmcd></span> There were more changes than I would have liked, but it shouldn't be too bad for L10N<br>
<a name="l-35"></a><span class="tm">00:11:05</span><span class="nk"> <jjmcd></span> We had 4 or 5 bugs around mems size so I put in some weasel words that nobody will like<br><a name="l-36"></a><span class="tm">00:11:05</span><span class="nk"> <Sparks></span> Cool<br>
<a name="l-37"></a><span class="tm">00:11:21</span><span class="nk"> <rudi></span> Around 10% change<br><a name="l-38"></a><span class="tm">00:11:23</span><span class="nk"> <Sparks></span> Are we still on track for being on time?<br>
<a name="l-39"></a><span class="tm">00:11:36</span><span class="nk"> <jjmcd></span> yep, just waiting for L10N now<br><a name="l-40"></a><span class="tm">00:12:12</span><span class="nk"> <Sparks></span> Cool<br>
<a name="l-41"></a><span class="tm">00:12:21</span><span class="nk"> <Sparks></span> Did you get ownership/co-ownership of the RPM?<br><a name="l-42"></a><span class="tm">00:12:45</span><span class="nk"> <jjmcd></span> Nope, still waiting on reviews of maiden rpm<br>
<a name="l-43"></a><span class="tm">00:12:59</span><span class="nk"> <jjmcd></span> I'll email adam who volunteered to help off channel<br><a name="l-44"></a><span class="tm">00:13:15</span><span class="nk"> <Sparks></span> Hmmm... I don't like that you are waiting on the review of the rpm<br>
<a name="l-45"></a><span class="tm">00:13:26</span><span class="nk"> <Sparks></span> Do you have the attention of someone that is going to review it?<br><a name="l-46"></a><span class="tm">00:13:32</span><span class="nk"> <jjmcd></span> Not THE rpm, and rpm to get to be a packager<br>
<a name="l-47"></a><span class="tm">00:13:49</span><span class="nk"> <Sparks></span> Ahhh<br><a name="l-48"></a><span class="tm">00:13:52</span><span class="nk"> <Sparks></span> Okay<br><a name="l-49"></a><span class="tm">00:14:14</span><span class="nk"> <jjmcd></span> There are a handful of folks who have provided input, but idle a week so I'll ask Adam what to do next<br>
<a name="l-50"></a><span class="tm">00:14:21</span><span class="nk"> <quaid></span> +1 weasel words<br><a name="l-51"></a><span class="tm">00:14:48</span><span class="nk"> <jjmcd></span> Colin Powell always said you gotta piss somebody off sometimes<br>
<a name="l-52"></a><span class="tm">00:15:33</span><span class="nk"> <Sparks></span> I follow that rule way too often<br><a name="l-53"></a><span class="tm">00:15:35</span><span class="nk"> <jjmcd></span> rudi helped a bunch on some stuff i had forgotten how to do<br>
<a name="l-54"></a><span class="tm">00:15:58</span><span class="nk"> <jjmcd></span> that's a plus and a minus, plus I didn't spend a lot of time on it, minus i wasn't forced to remember how to do it<br><a name="l-55"></a><span class="tm">00:16:11</span><span class="nk"> <rudi></span> jjmcd -- you mean the git stuff?<br>
<a name="l-56"></a><span class="tm">00:16:23</span><span class="nk"> <jjmcd></span> No, the re-merging the po<br><a name="l-57"></a><span class="tm">00:16:45</span><span class="nk"> <rudi></span> Ah yeah. Hopefully noone will need to remember that soon :P<br>
<a name="l-58"></a><span class="tm">00:16:50</span><span class="nk"> <jjmcd></span> Well, I owulda screwed up the branch, too<br><a name="l-59"></a><span class="tm">00:17:19</span><span class="nk"> <rudi></span> Someone once called that stuff "stupid knowledge" -- the knowledge of workarounds and kludges :)<br>
<a name="l-60"></a><span class="tm">00:17:33</span><span class="nk"> <jjmcd></span> good assessment<br><a name="l-61"></a><span class="tm">00:17:48</span><span class="nk"> <rudi></span> But the upside is that I think we're getting better at working with L10N<br>
<a name="l-62"></a><span class="tm">00:17:59</span><span class="nk"> <jjmcd></span> Yeah, I think so<br><a name="l-63"></a><span class="tm">00:18:01</span><span class="nk"> <rudi></span> And in the F12-F13 lull, I'd like to document that<br>
<a name="l-64"></a><span class="tm">00:18:07</span><span class="nk"> <jjmcd></span> We still have some work to do tho<br><a name="l-65"></a><span class="tm">00:18:10</span><span class="nk"> <rudi></span> Indeed<br>
<a name="l-66"></a><span class="tm">00:18:37</span><span class="nk"> <Sparks></span> Okay, so do you need anything for the RNs?<br><a name="l-67"></a><span class="tm">00:18:55</span><span class="nk"> <jjmcd></span> no, i think we're good for now<br>
<a name="l-68"></a><span class="tm">00:19:12</span><span class="nk"> <Sparks></span> Okay. Moving on<br><a name="l-69"></a><span class="tm">00:19:21</span><span class="nk"> <Sparks></span> <span class="topic">#topic </span><span class="topicline">Status on CMS (Zikula)</span><br>
<a name="l-70"></a><span class="tm">00:19:29</span><span class="nk"> <Sparks></span> <span class="cmd">#link </span><span class="cmdline"><a href="https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Zikula#Module_status">https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Zikula#Module_status</a></span><br>
<a name="l-71"></a><span class="tm">00:19:57 </span><span class="nka">* Sparks</span> <span class="ac">just remembers he needs to update his package on the wiki</span><br><a name="l-72"></a><span class="tm">00:20:28</span><span class="nk"> <Sparks></span> Okay, that's done.<br>
<a name="l-73"></a><span class="tm">00:20:58</span><span class="nk"> <Sparks></span> My accessory packages, polls and advanced polls, have been pushed to stable so all that should be ready to go<br><a name="l-74"></a><span class="tm">00:21:32</span><span class="nk"> <Sparks></span> Does anyone have any updates?<br>
<a name="l-75"></a><span class="tm">00:22:57</span><span class="nk"> <Sparks></span> We'll need to jump on this project as soon as F12 is out the door. I'd like to have this up and running by the end of the year for docs.fp.o.<br>
<a name="l-76"></a><span class="tm">00:23:21</span><span class="nk"> <Sparks></span> Of course that is an arbitrary date but one that will give us something to work toward.<br><a name="l-77"></a><span class="tm">00:23:27</span><span class="nk"> <Sparks></span> Anyone have anything?<br>
<a name="l-78"></a><span class="tm">00:24:06</span><span class="nk"> <Sparks></span> Okay, moving on<br><a name="l-79"></a><span class="tm">00:24:19</span><span class="nk"> <Sparks></span> <span class="topic">#topic </span><span class="topicline">Status on CC license rollout.</span><br>
<a name="l-80"></a><span class="tm">00:24:28</span><span class="nk"> <Sparks></span> <span class="cmd">#link </span><span class="cmdline"><a href="https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/License_changeover_schedule">https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/License_changeover_schedule</a></span><br>
<a name="l-81"></a><span class="tm">00:25:10</span><span class="nk"> <Sparks></span> I completed #7 earlier today based on a conversation I had with rudi last week and my regeneration of the SG over the weekend.<br>
<a name="l-82"></a><span class="tm">00:25:52</span><span class="nk"> <jjmcd></span> So now we just review against our checklist?<br><a name="l-83"></a><span class="tm">00:26:02</span><span class="nk"> <Sparks></span> I'm having problems regenerating the non-English versions of the SG, however, so I'll need some help with that but I think everything is squared away.<br>
<a name="l-84"></a><span class="tm">00:26:13</span><span class="nk"> <Sparks></span> checklist?<br><a name="l-85"></a><span class="tm">00:26:25</span><span class="nk"> <jjmcd></span> Well, step 8<br><a name="l-86"></a><span class="tm">00:26:31</span><span class="nk"> <Sparks></span> <span class="hi">jjmcd:</span> yes<br>
<a name="l-87"></a><span class="tm">00:26:44</span><span class="nk"> <Sparks></span> <span class="hi">quaid:</span> Did you get step 6 completed?<br><a name="l-88"></a><span class="tm">00:28:12</span><span class="nk"> <Sparks></span> I spoke with ianweller earlier and he said: the status of the license change is that it's half done in the staging branch and that i can't get to it today but i can maybe get to it tomorrow<br>
<a name="l-89"></a><span class="tm">00:28:35</span><span class="nk"> <Sparks></span> So that should knock out step 5<br><a name="l-90"></a><span class="tm">00:29:11</span><span class="nk"> <Sparks></span> Okay, maybe quaid will be back with us later<br>
<a name="l-91"></a><span class="tm">00:30:22</span><span class="nk"> <Sparks></span> Anything else?<br><a name="l-92"></a><span class="tm">00:31:39</span><span class="nk"> <Sparks></span> Okay, moving on<br><a name="l-93"></a><span class="tm">00:31:43</span><span class="nk"> <Sparks></span> <span class="topic">#topic </span><span class="topicline">Outstanding BZ Tickets</span><br>
<a name="l-94"></a><span class="tm">00:32:11</span><span class="nk"> <jjmcd></span> I think I got all the F12 RN tickets this week<br><a name="l-95"></a><span class="tm">00:32:46</span><span class="nk"> <Sparks></span> I haven't checked them today but if everyone will go through the tickets and make sure everything is assigned and if you have any tickets assigned please make sure the notes are up to date<br>
<a name="l-96"></a><span class="tm">00:32:51</span><span class="nk"> <Sparks></span> <span class="hi">jjmcd:</span> +1<br><a name="l-97"></a><span class="tm">00:33:22</span><span class="nk"> <jjmcd></span> The note I put on each beat asks folks to submit a ticket for zero day changes<br>
<a name="l-98"></a><span class="tm">00:33:38</span><span class="nk"> <Sparks></span> cool<br><a name="l-99"></a><span class="tm">00:33:50</span><span class="nk"> <Sparks></span> Okay, anything else?<br><a name="l-100"></a><span class="tm">00:34:32</span><span class="nk"> <Sparks></span> <span class="topic">#topic </span><span class="topicline">Guide needs?</span><br>
<a name="l-101"></a><span class="tm">00:34:44</span><span class="nk"> <Sparks></span> Anyone have any guides that need anything?<br><a name="l-102"></a><span class="tm">00:35:04</span><span class="nk"> <jjmcd></span> Looks like we might get some help on the ARG, we'll see<br>
<a name="l-103"></a><span class="tm">00:35:08</span><span class="nk"> <rudi></span> Not a need -- but a heads-up that the new F12 Deployment Guide is now on d.fp.o and Transifex...<br><a name="l-104"></a><span class="tm">00:35:20</span><span class="nk"> <jjmcd></span> goodness<br>
<a name="l-105"></a><span class="tm">00:35:21</span><span class="nk"> <Sparks></span> <span class="hi">jjmcd:</span> ARG?<br><a name="l-106"></a><span class="tm">00:35:23</span><span class="nk"> <Sparks></span> Oh<br>
<a name="l-107"></a><span class="tm">00:35:32</span><span class="nk"> <jjmcd></span> :-)<br><a name="l-108"></a><span class="tm">00:35:39</span><span class="nk"> <Sparks></span> <span class="hi">rudi:</span> Awesome<br>
<a name="l-109"></a><span class="tm">00:35:57</span><span class="nk"> <Sparks></span> <span class="hi">jjmcd:</span> I'm having git issues tonight... :(<br><a name="l-110"></a><span class="tm">00:36:17</span><span class="nk"> <jjmcd></span> Well it ain't near as frustrating as CVS<br>
<a name="l-111"></a><span class="tm">00:36:21</span><span class="nk"> <rudi></span> That's perspectival's awesomeness to thank<br><a name="l-112"></a><span class="tm">00:36:42</span><span class="nk"> <Sparks></span> <span class="hi">jjmcd:</span> CVS and SVN worked... I can't get anything OUT of git<br>
<a name="l-113"></a><span class="tm">00:36:56</span><span class="nk"> <Sparks></span> perspectival++<br><a name="l-114"></a><span class="tm">00:37:19</span><span class="nk"> <jjmcd></span> Well see, less work that way<br>
<a name="l-115"></a><span class="tm">00:37:37</span><span class="nk"> <Sparks></span> ya<br><a name="l-116"></a><span class="tm">00:38:24</span><span class="nk"> <Sparks></span> I haven't looked at the accessibility guide lately... that needs to be touched at some point<br>
<a name="l-117"></a><span class="tm">00:39:42</span><span class="nk"> <Sparks></span> Anything else?<br><a name="l-118"></a><span class="tm">00:40:28</span><span class="nk"> <Sparks></span> <span class="topic">#topic </span><span class="topicline">New Guides</span><br>
<a name="l-119"></a><span class="tm">00:40:33</span><span class="nk"> <Sparks></span> Any new guides?<br><a name="l-120"></a><span class="tm">00:40:40</span><span class="nk"> <rudi></span> Ah -- I see I jumped the gun. Sorry!<br>
<a name="l-121"></a><span class="tm">00:41:02</span><span class="nk"> <Sparks></span> <span class="hi">rudi:</span> No worries<br><a name="l-122"></a><span class="tm">00:41:03</span><span class="nk"> <jjmcd></span> Is stickster writing the "Guide to bars in Toronto"?<br>
<a name="l-123"></a><span class="tm">00:41:16</span><span class="nk"> <Sparks></span> <span class="hi">jjmcd:</span> Is that a new guide? Publican or wiki?<br><a name="l-124"></a><span class="tm">00:41:43</span><span class="nk"> <jjmcd></span> Well, Paul being an XML sort of guy, I assumed...<br>
<a name="l-125"></a><span class="tm">00:42:25</span><span class="nk"> <Sparks></span> Well, we should encourage that to be put in the repo<br><a name="l-126"></a><span class="tm">00:42:57</span><span class="nk"> <jjmcd></span> He did great in Berlin, but he may have had help from Jeroen<br>
<a name="l-127"></a><span class="tm">00:43:34</span><span class="nk"> <Sparks></span> :)<br><a name="l-128"></a><span class="tm">00:43:42</span><span class="nk"> <Sparks></span> Okay, any OTHER new guides?<br>
<a name="l-129"></a><span class="tm">00:44:06</span><span class="nk"> <Sparks></span> <span class="topic">#topic </span><span class="topicline">All other business</span><br><a name="l-130"></a><span class="tm">00:44:19</span><span class="nk"> <Sparks></span> Okay, does anyone have anything they'd like to discuss?<br>
<a name="l-131"></a><span class="tm">00:45:23</span><span class="nk"> <marwalk></span> did you see the F12 beta writeup in Ars Technica?<br><a name="l-132"></a><span class="tm">00:45:25</span><span class="nk"> <Sparks></span> anything? anything at all?<br>
<a name="l-133"></a><span class="tm">00:46:13</span><span class="nk"> <Sparks></span> <span class="hi">marwalk:</span> I didn't.<br><a name="l-134"></a><span class="tm">00:46:19</span><span class="nk"> <Sparks></span> <span class="hi">marwalk:</span> url?<br>
<a name="l-135"></a><span class="tm">00:46:33</span><span class="nk"> <marwalk></span> <a href="http://arstechnica.com/open-source/reviews/2009/10/ars-takes-a-first-look-under-the-hood-of-fedora-12.ars">http://arstechnica.com/open-source/reviews/2009/10/ars-takes-a-first-look-under-the-hood-of-fedora-12.ars</a><br>
<a name="l-136"></a><span class="tm">00:47:16</span><span class="nk"> <Sparks></span> F11 had rough edges?<br><a name="l-137"></a><span class="tm">00:47:26</span><span class="nk"> <Sparks></span> Not as rough as F7, IMO. :)<br>
<a name="l-138"></a><span class="tm">00:48:41</span><span class="nk"> <Sparks></span> <span class="hi">marwalk:</span> Thanks for the link!<br><a name="l-139"></a><span class="tm">00:48:58</span><span class="nk"> <marwalk></span> indeed :-)<br>
<a name="l-140"></a><span class="tm">00:49:07</span><span class="nk"> <Sparks></span> anyone else?<br><a name="l-141"></a><span class="tm">00:50:32</span><span class="nk"> <Sparks></span> Okay, well I'm closing it down!<br>
<a name="l-142"></a><span class="tm">00:50:40</span><span class="nk"> <Sparks></span> Thanks everyone for coming tonight.<br><a name="l-143"></a><span class="tm">00:50:44</span><span class="nk"> <Sparks></span> <span class="cmd">#endmeeting</span><span class="cmdline"></span></pre>