<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12pt"><div><span>Please be kind enough to include (quote) the original text in messages to the group. </span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span><br></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span>The idioms followup message (which by chance, I happened to view before this email) was confusing and out of context to me.</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><br></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; background-color: transparent;
font-style: normal;"><br><span></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span>As for using the word see, In French, it is a verb (Voir), which means to physically see.</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><br><span></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span>We would translate the English in documents see to French as "refer to .... " (référer à) <br></span></div><div> </div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><span style="" lang="FR-CA">Regards</span> <div><b><font size="2"><br></font><font size="2"> Leslie</font><br></b></div> <div><font color="green"><b><font size="1">Mr.
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<div dir="ltr"> <hr size="1"> <font face="Arial" size="2"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Chris Murphy <lists@colorremedies.com><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> wb8rcr@arrl.net; For participants of the Documentation Project <docs@lists.fedoraproject.org> <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Monday, May 13, 2013 12:00 PM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: A reminder to writers<br> </font> </div> <div class="y_msg_container"><br><br>On May 13, 2013, at 6:58 AM, John J. McDonough <<a ymailto="mailto:wb8rcr@arrl.net" href="mailto:wb8rcr@arrl.net">wb8rcr@arrl.net</a>> wrote:<br><br>> Within our documentation, we do not like to over use the word "see" as<br>> this can be an uncomfortable reminder to visually impaired readers. It<br>> is especially challenging in the Release Notes as almost every other<br>> paragraph tends to refer
the reader to an external link. The result is<br>> paragraph after paragraph of "for details see ..." or "for more<br>> information see …".<br><br>The examples are idioms, they aren't meant to be taken so literally as to connote "vision required". <br><br>Using the above proposed logic, the saying "I'm happy to see you" would cause a blind person to become uncomfortable. This is silly.<br><br>Blind people themselves say they "watch TV" and they "read books", and so on. The word see does not make them uncomfortable.<br><br>> Instead of "see", it is preferable to use terms like "refer to", "may be<br>> found at" or other terms that do not imply a particular way of reading.<br>> When referencing some user-visible change, exchange terms like "users<br>> will see improved performance" for phrases like "users will notice<br>> improved performance".<br>> <br>> Simply being alert to this also helps make the prose a little
less<br>> repetitive.<br><br>Making the prose less repetitive and idiomatic, is valid. It makes translation far easier and more accurate.<br><br><br>Chris Murphy<br>-- <br>docs mailing list<br><a ymailto="mailto:docs@lists.fedoraproject.org" href="mailto:docs@lists.fedoraproject.org">docs@lists.fedoraproject.org</a><br>To unsubscribe:<br><a href="https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/docs" target="_blank">https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/docs</a><br><br></div> </div> </div> </blockquote></div> </div></body></html>