<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:8pt">Pete, <br><br>Perhaps I am wrong about Transifex. My understanding is that you have to enter your text into Transifex so that eventually the translators can get to work on translating the text to second languages. What is the official method or software to use for submitting documentation? Am I wrong to assume we must write using Transifex? If so, please correct me.<br><br>Re Transifex. I have some questions relative to Fedora.<br> <br>Does Transifex allow for markups and for peer review? Can I do that review using Transifex while commuting on the subway? Does it show me the markup changes with comments alongside? I did not see that "markup and peer review" are part of Transifex functionality. <br><br>I am not belittling Transifex. It is
a good tool for its purposes. But it is not ubiquitous, Libreoffice is. (Actually I use Kingsoft Linux free version, It is software from China. Looks and feels like MS office). <br><div><span><br></span></div><div> </div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><span style="" lang="FR-CA">Regards</span> <div><b><font size="2"><br></font><font size="2"> Leslie</font><br></b></div> <div><font color="green"><b><font size="1">Mr. Leslie Satenstein</font><br></b></font><font style="color:rgb(191, 0, 95);" size="1" color="green"><span style="font-weight:bold;">An experienced</span> Information Technology specialist.<br><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><span style="font-weight: bold;"><font>50 years in IT as hardware/software/engineer</font>.</span></span><br>Yesterday was a good day, today is a better day,<br>and tomorrow will be even better.</font></div><font size="1" color="green"><font size="2"><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank"
href="mailto:lsatenstein@yahoo.com">lsatenstein@yahoo.com</a></font><br></font><font size="2" color="green"><b>SENT FROM MY OPEN SOURCE LINUX SYSTEM.</b><br></font><br><span style="" lang="FR-CA"></span></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13px; font-family: HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal; font-weight: bold;"><br></div><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; margin-top: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 8pt;"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div dir="ltr"> <hr size="1"> <font size="2" face="Arial"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Pete Travis
<me@petetravis.com><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> docs@lists.fedoraproject.org <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Monday, November 11, 2013 9:59 PM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: Lowering the participation barrier for Fedora Docs<br> </font> </div> <div class="y_msg_container"><br><div id="yiv9348655668"><div>
<div class="yiv9348655668moz-cite-prefix">On 11/11/2013 06:22 PM, Leslie S
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Pete<br clear="none">
Your blog below was quite appropriate. I work in aerospace
and do a fair amount<br clear="none">
of writing and software development. The editing department
here is also a translation<br clear="none">
department as the company is a global one, dealing with
Chinese, Indian dialects, French, Spanish,<br clear="none">
and a slew of UN national languages. The translators want
paragraphs of text. The English editor wants<br clear="none">
text delivered double spaced 12 size font, with revision
management enabled and comments enabled. <br clear="none">
The company uses MS word, but Libreoffice, (for Fedora's
purpose), would suffice.<br clear="none">
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By allowing authors to use Libreoffice, along with
Libreoffice's revision management, I believe that a quality<br clear="none">
product and a more easily and accurately translated source
would be generated.<br clear="none">
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Regarding installations, and expositories, there are varying
levels of expertise as Fedora users. Many users,<br clear="none">
from my use of forums is that they are more frequented by are
beginners. They want a working Fedora distribution, <br clear="none">
so that they may use the tools that are included. (from
workbenches, to business software). I would say that the <br clear="none">
more experienced individuals do not frequent the forums too
often, as "they know it all, and what can they learn?"<br clear="none">
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Your ideas are great, I fully agree with them, but "when the
only tool you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail".<br clear="none">
My view is that the tool you are using, with po files, is
great for application code messages. It misses something when<br clear="none">
used as the documentation preparation tool.<br clear="none">
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Can you please try this experiment. Are you able to ask an
author to write his stuff with Libreoffice, and then turn on
revision managment to send out his work for comments and
feedback. Lets see how that works. I would even take a page or
two of text, if it is handed to me that way.<br clear="none">
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Libreoffice is not a barrier, since is is ubiquitous. <br clear="none">
Regards<br clear="none">
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Leslie </font><br clear="none">
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I don't know how to tell you any harder that Transifex is *NOT* an
automated machine translation service. It has the ability to use
external machine translation, but the Fedora Project does not use
this ability. There are real people reading these strings and
translating them into their native languages. If you want to
improve translations, you should contribute translations. The
localization workflow is not broken, and the tools are excellent.<br clear="none">
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Emailing LibreOffice back and forth is certainly more efficient than
the mailing of physical paper that the workflow is modeled after. It
is *not* an improvement over an actual distributed version control
system. As I've said before, use whatever editor you like - as long
as the markup is correct and the files are saved in plain text.<br clear="none">
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When I'm talking about "lowering participation barriers", I'm
thinking that most people with active FAS accounts know how to use
git, are familiar or can easily become familiar with
ReStructuredText or Markdown, and occasionally can take 15 minutes
to write up a post. I'm not talking about restructuring everyone's
workflow to suit your preference or enabling your criticism of
translations. Please don't turn this discussion into a monologue of
your storied past followed by insistence that we adopt a different
and labor-intensive workflow because you aren't willing to learn
what we already to. That topic has already been discussed enough.<div class="yiv9348655668yqt7458955304" id="yiv9348655668yqtfd47242"><br clear="none">
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