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I agree with the plan, and I am happy that Sandra proposed this
direction. I have been thinking of how to word my Boxes guide: is
this a how-to manual, or just just technical instructions. For me: I
learn more from how-to manuals and branch into technical details as
I need them. Also, working with the Novice in mind makes me think of
the "what if the person does not see..." or "what if they encounter
that" and try to solve issues they may encounter as they try to do
the task, but may not have the ability to troubleshoot an issue that
just happened during the process. <br>
<br>
Also, writing for Novices/How-to is more forgiving of first and
second person voicing, which I have a tendency to do. <br>
<br>
So I have been working with the mindset of a how-to manual for
someone beginning with the application, because I am learning the
application, publican, docbook, git, mailing lists, and Linux all
together!)<br>
<br>
I have this conception that the more friendly and built for novices
something is, the more solid and polished it seems. I am more then
willing to put more time and work to make to do that. <br>
<br>
So, thank you Sandra!<br>
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-Glen<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 03/16/2015 05:51 PM, Pete Travis
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 03/16/2015 02:28 PM, Sandra McCann
wrote:<br>
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id="docs-internal-guid-af2cb962-2444-c593-0176-ac02147542a5">
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style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span
style="font-size:15px;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap;background-color:transparent">Hi
folks -</span></p>
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<p dir="ltr"
style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span
style="font-size:15px;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap;background-color:transparent">We’ve
been batting around ideas for the virtualization
guides for a bit now in irc, but I’d like to get some
more feedback on the approach we can take.</span></p>
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style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span
style="font-size:15px;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap;background-color:transparent">Seems
there are two personas involved. Using our </span><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_Focus#Personas"
style="text-decoration:none"><span
style="font-size:15px;font-family:Arial;text-decoration:underline;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap;background-color:transparent">draft
personas</span></a><span
style="font-size:13px;font-family:Verdana;color:rgb(0,0,0);vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
we have :</span></p>
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style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span
style="vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">Technical
Tony - experienced IT person virtualizing on
servers etc, knows his stuff and is spinning up
VMs like they’re candy.</span></p>
</li>
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style="list-style-type:disc;font-size:13px;font-family:Verdana;color:rgb(0,0,0);vertical-align:baseline">
<p dir="ltr"
style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span
style="vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">Novice
Ned (or Novice Nancy in my case :-) - Fairly new
to virtualization, and looking to spin up a VM or
two for her own work.</span></p>
</li>
</ul>
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<p dir="ltr"
style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span
style="font-size:13px;font-family:Verdana;color:rgb(0,0,0);vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">Given
these two personas, I’d like to suggest that the
Virtualization Getting Started guide be targeted to
Novice Nancy. To do this we would:</span></p>
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style="list-style-type:disc;font-size:13px;font-family:Verdana;color:rgb(0,0,0);vertical-align:baseline">
<p dir="ltr"
style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span
style="vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">Add
an installing virtualization tools chapter -
simple effort to install the virtualization group
package and bring up virt-manager. (smccann)</span></p>
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style="list-style-type:disc;font-size:13px;font-family:Verdana;color:rgb(0,0,0);vertical-align:baseline">
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style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span
style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><span
style="vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">Add
an ‘Creating Guests with Virt-Manager chapter -
copying from </span><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora_Draft_Documentation/0.1/html/Virtualization_Deployment_and_Administration_Guide/chap-Virtualization_Host_Configuration_and_Guest_Installation_Guide-Guest_Installation_Virt_Manager-Creating_guests_with_virt_manager.html"
style="text-decoration:none"><span
style="text-decoration:underline;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">here</span></a><span
style="vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">. (smccann)</span></span></p>
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<p dir="ltr"
style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span
style="vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">Adding
a ‘Creating Guests with Boxes chapter (grundblom)</span></p>
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<p dir="ltr"
style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span
style="vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">Make
minor edits as needed to remove Fedora 19
references and any references (if present) to a
larger set of virtualization guides that may not
be available as F21 guides yet.</span></p>
</li>
</ul>
<span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><br>
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<p dir="ltr"
style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span
style="font-size:13px;font-family:Verdana;color:rgb(0,0,0);vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">I
also had one question - </span></p>
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style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span
style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><span
style="vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">not
sure what to do about the list of emulated
devices - is it accurate? </span><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/19/html/Virtualization_Getting_Started_Guide/sec-virtualized-hardware-devices.html"
style="text-decoration:none"><span
style="text-decoration:underline;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">http://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/19/html/Virtualization_Getting_Started_Guide/sec-virtualized-hardware-devices.html</span></a></span></p>
</li>
</ul>
<span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><br>
</span>
<p dir="ltr"
style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span
style="font-size:13px;font-family:Verdana;color:rgb(0,0,0);vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">Anyway,
I’d like to get the getting started done and committed
before considering the Admin and Deploy guide
(because..ahem.. I AM Novice Nancy here and it will
take longer for me to parse that guide).</span></p>
<span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><br>
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style="font-size:13px;font-family:Verdana;color:rgb(0,0,0);vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">Thoughts?</span></p>
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style="font-size:13px;font-family:Verdana;color:rgb(0,0,0);vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">Sandra</span></p>
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This seems like a solid plan to me. There's a lot of content in
the guide now that's reads strictly as a launch point for the
larger guides, so something more like purging paragraphs might be
more appropriate than simply removing references. You have a good
idea of where you want to go with it; I only make that point to
ensure you don't feel obligated to keep the existing content and
write around it.<br>
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The hardware list is accurate, but not complete. You might want
to focus on a few specific pieces of hardware instead of listing
and explaining all possible options though, ie:<br>
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This is how you add a network device. This virtio option
might need these extra drivers on a windows guest. <br>
<br>
This is how you add a virtual block device. This virtio option
might need these extra drivers on a windows guest. ( depending on
how deep you want to go, you could cover switching out a windows
installation iso for the virtio driver iso so it can see virtio
storage, then switching back. There's a definite performance
improvement in virtio over SATA emulation, but the setup is going
to add a page or two to your instructions) <br>
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This is how you provide an ISO to the guest.<br>
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This is how you share part of the host filesystem with a linux
guest<br>
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These are all spice related devices. If you choose spice (
the default ) you get them automatically, here is what they do.<br>
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Things like memory, CPU, input devices are set up automatically,
or during initial creation. IMO my the time you have documented
the device types that might need some explanation, the user is
familiar with the device management screen and knows where to go,
they don't need much or any explanation.<br>
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Your plan seems GUI focused; I like that. It makes for a much
easier read for new users when it doesn't look like you need to
learn a bunch of scary programming to make it work :) We can put
cli stuff somewhere else.<br>
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-- Pete Travis
- Fedora Docs Project Leadt
- 'randomuser' on freenode
- <a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:immanetize@fedoraproject.org">immanetize@fedoraproject.org</a></pre>
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