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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 03/16/2015 02:28 PM, Sandra McCann
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                folks -</span></p>
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style="font-size:15px;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap;background-color:transparent">We’ve
                been batting around ideas for the virtualization guides
                for a bit now in irc, but I’d like to get some more
                feedback on the approach we can take.</span></p>
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style="font-size:15px;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap;background-color:transparent">Seems
                there are two personas involved. Using our </span><a
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                  personas</span></a><span
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                we have :</span></p>
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                  style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span
style="vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">Technical
                    Tony - experienced IT person virtualizing on servers
                    etc, knows his stuff and is spinning up VMs like
                    they’re candy.</span></p>
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                  style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span
style="vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">Novice
                    Ned (or Novice Nancy in my case :-) - Fairly new to
                    virtualization, and looking to spin up a VM or two
                    for her own work.</span></p>
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style="font-size:13px;font-family:Verdana;color:rgb(0,0,0);vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">Given
                these two personas, I’d like to suggest that the
                Virtualization Getting Started guide be targeted to
                Novice Nancy. To do this we would:</span></p>
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style="vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">Add
                    an installing virtualization tools chapter - simple
                    effort to install the virtualization group package
                    and bring up virt-manager. (smccann)</span></p>
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                      style="vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">Add
                      an ‘Creating Guests with Virt-Manager chapter -
                      copying from </span><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora_Draft_Documentation/0.1/html/Virtualization_Deployment_and_Administration_Guide/chap-Virtualization_Host_Configuration_and_Guest_Installation_Guide-Guest_Installation_Virt_Manager-Creating_guests_with_virt_manager.html"
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style="text-decoration:underline;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">here</span></a><span
style="vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">. (smccann)</span></span></p>
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style="vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">Adding
                    a ‘Creating Guests with Boxes chapter (grundblom)</span></p>
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                  style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span
style="vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">Make
                    minor edits as needed to remove Fedora 19 references
                    and any references (if present) to a larger set of
                    virtualization guides that may not be available as
                    F21 guides yet.</span></p>
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style="font-size:13px;font-family:Verdana;color:rgb(0,0,0);vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">I
                also had one question - </span></p>
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                      style="vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">not
                      sure what to do about the list of emulated devices
                      - is it accurate? </span><a
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href="http://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/19/html/Virtualization_Getting_Started_Guide/sec-virtualized-hardware-devices.html"
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style="text-decoration:underline;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">http://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/19/html/Virtualization_Getting_Started_Guide/sec-virtualized-hardware-devices.html</span></a></span></p>
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style="font-size:13px;font-family:Verdana;color:rgb(0,0,0);vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">Anyway,
                I’d like to get the getting started done and committed
                before considering the Admin and Deploy guide
                (because..ahem.. I AM Novice Nancy here and it will take
                longer for me to parse that guide).</span></p>
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style="font-size:13px;font-family:Verdana;color:rgb(0,0,0);vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">Thoughts?</span></p>
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style="font-size:13px;font-family:Verdana;color:rgb(0,0,0);vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">Sandra</span></p>
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    This seems like a solid plan to me.  There's a lot of content in the
    guide now that's reads strictly as a launch point for the larger
    guides, so something more like purging paragraphs might be more
    appropriate than simply removing references.  You have a good idea
    of where you want to go with it; I only make that point to ensure
    you don't feel obligated to keep the existing content and write
    around it.<br>
    <br>
    The hardware list is accurate, but not complete.  You might want to
    focus on a few specific pieces of hardware instead of listing and
    explaining all possible options though, ie:<br>
    <br>
        This is how you add a network device.  This virtio option might
    need these extra drivers on a windows guest.  <br>
    <br>
        This is how you add a virtual block device. This virtio option
    might need these extra drivers on a windows guest. ( depending on
    how deep you want to go, you could cover switching out a windows
    installation iso for the virtio driver iso so it can see virtio
    storage, then switching back.  There's a definite performance
    improvement in virtio over SATA emulation, but the setup is going to
    add a page or two to your instructions) <br>
    <br>
        This is how you provide an ISO to the guest.<br>
    <br>
        This is how you share part of the host filesystem with a linux
    guest<br>
    <br>
        These are all spice related devices.  If you choose spice ( the
    default ) you get them automatically, here is what they do.<br>
    <br>
    <br>
    <br>
    Things like memory, CPU, input devices are set up automatically, or
    during initial creation.  IMO my the time you have documented the
    device types that might need some explanation, the user is familiar
    with the device management screen and knows where to go, they don't
    need much or any explanation.<br>
    <br>
    Your plan seems GUI focused; I like that.  It makes for a much
    easier read for new users when it doesn't look like you need to
    learn a bunch of scary programming to make it work :)  We can put
    cli stuff somewhere else.<br>
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