<div class="gmail_quote">2010/12/14 Joerg Simon <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jsimon@fedoraproject.org">jsimon@fedoraproject.org</a>></span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
fwd from the Ambassadors List - would make a good agenda topic<br></blockquote><div><br>My response to this on the Fedora Ambassadors mailing list:<br> <br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div class="im">2010/12/14 Marķa Leandro <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:tatica@fedoraproject.org" target="_blank">tatica@fedoraproject.org</a>></span><br>
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<div>Hello.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div class="im"><div>Several
times we repeat ourselves "we must encourage people to join our
comunity" and also things like "we accept everyone, so everyone can be
an Ambassador" but I consider this a lie to them and to us.</div>
</div></blockquote><div><br>I don't think this is quite true. If we, as
Ambassadors, find people are interested in promoting or helping Fedora,
we encourage -- or should encourage -- them to join us. Secondly, we
don't accept everyone nor should we accept everyone -- we reject a
significant amount of applicants in NA alone because, for some reason,
they are in the determination of the mentor not a good fit for the
project.<br>
<br></div><div class="im"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div> Not everyone can be an ambassador, and this are some of the points I have consider to think like that:</div>
<div><br></div><div>we often receive request of applicants for the ambassadors team of users that:</div><div>1.- Have never contribute to the project</div><div>2.- Have never been at any FOSS activity</div><div>3.- Have been rejected of X communities with a not-good record</div>
</blockquote></div><div><br>This is really a separate issue. Many people
who want to join are new to Linux/FOSS and may not have contributed to a
project before, or may not live near an event or activity they can get
to. This has to be handled on a case-by-case basis, and the level of
participation depends on what an Ambassador can do <br>
<br>More times than not, people use the Ambassador program as a stepping stone to go into other areas of the Fedora Project. <br><br></div><div class="im"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
<div><br></div><div>But we also have to face that, those who get the "Ambassadors title" often:</div><div>1.- Dissapear without say anything</div><div>2.- Dissapear without help our community</div><div>3.- Claim to be "Fedora workers"</div>
<div>4.- Dissapear but keep using the @<a href="http://fedoraproject.org/" target="_blank">fedoraproject.org</a></div><div><br></div><div>So, Do we really have an obligation to accept everyone?</div></blockquote></div><div>
<br>
No, and in my opinion and experience, it has never been the case that we have "an obligation to accept everyone."<br> <br></div><div class="im"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
<div> if not... Should we keep telling people that we will accept everyone to be Ambassador if we will/won't do it?</div></blockquote></div><div><br>We
don't, and we shouldn't tell them -- this is where the candidate/mentor
relationship comes in. A mentor can tell whether someone will be a
good, average or bad ambassador, and we don't approve the bad ones.
Sometimes, the mentor gets duped -- and in this case there's nothing
that can be done unless the new ambassador does something the mentor
deems against the rules and the ambassador is expelled.<br>
<br></div><div class="im"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div>
I think that the Ambassadors admission process need some rules besides
the one that has (without be too excesive) to make a filter that can
help us, Mentor, to provide a better guidance to those contributors that
really deserve and want to be Fedora Ambassadors. So, I will write some
few ideas and if you guys/girls are interested on give some feedback
would be nice. (If you don't and the topic die here don't feel bad :) )</div>
<div><br></div><div>1.- Applicants must help to one of our 6 top teams [1]</div><div>2.-
Applicants must help their local community, in case his/her city
doesn't have a local community, she/he should try to build it.</div>
<div>3.- Applicants should at least attend to one FOSS event per year.
(right now in all the country there are events, so this is not so crazy
at all)</div><div>4.- Applicants should at least organize or help to organize a FOSS event.<br>
<br></div></blockquote></div><div><br>This is an interesting list and I
have no objection to any of them, although if you have an ambassador in a
country where there is no FOSS event, or no FOSS event in their region
(I'm specifically thinking Africa here), I think number 3 is asking much
for some who may want to promote Fedora/Linux/FOSS but is not able to
travel to an event. What I do want to say is that nearly all ambassadors
promote Fedora, Linux and FOSS at their own comfort level and very few,
if any, join with malicious intent.<br>
<br>Larry Cafiero<br></div></div>