areas where we can invest in automation?

Ralph Bean rbean at redhat.com
Tue May 28 13:45:43 UTC 2013


On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 08:33:22AM -0400, Matthew Miller wrote:
> I was asked (with my Red Hat hat on) to put together a little report on
> areas in Fedora which could be improved with an investment in better
> automation. From what I'm working on myself, I'm aware of the gigantic need
> in the cloud images production process, and I've been keeping an eye on Tim
> Flink's autoqa revamp ideas. I expect there are others, because I know from
> my previous jobs that there's always a balance between building
> condiment-passing machines and just _passing the salt_. [1] Are there other
> things which could be made better if only someone came up with the spare
> time and resources to do the work?

Hi!

Some observations/ideas:

1) The packager workflow is pretty tedious.  There has been some
   improvement to it, but more can be done.  Things like
   fedora-review and fedora-create-review (and bodhi!) are a huge
   help.  But there are plenty of inefficient "blocking" points in the
   process.

   For instance, once a new package is approved, only then does the
   submitter declare what branches they want with an scm admin
   request.  They then wait for an scm admin to declare that they
   have created their branches, and then wait for a cronjob to run
   that gives them permission to push on those branches (manually).
   They then wait for their koji builds to finish to (manually) submit
   bodhi updates.

   It would be nice if we could automate that whole process -- once a
   package is approved, if there were a "make-it-so" button that
   required no further intervention from the packager (but still
   required the keen eye of an scm admin).

   There are further sequences down the pipeline like requesting that
   packages in testing be pushed to stable, but there are good
   arguments against automating that.

2) Continuous deployment for infrastructure.  It has been tossed
   around in IRC, possibly at FUDCon as well.  If application
   developers could "git push" on the develop branch and have those
   changes automatically roll out to our staging infrastructure --
   that would save a lot of time.  Packaging our apps, building rpms,
   signing them, copying them to our infra yum repos, rebuilding those
   repos, clearing the cache on the target machines, performing a yum
   update <-- that process is cumbersome.

   I suspect that the "release only when we have accumulated enough
   changes to warrant enduring the burdensome release process" mode
   of deployment (as opposed to "release early, release often") also
   poses somewhat of a barrier to new contributors.  They contribute
   a patch.. nice!  When does it go live?  When one of our
   overstretched sysadmin-mains can get around to it (it is required
   that one of them sign the package).

   Caveat #2.1:
   There are some ways around this.  Individuals can get around the
   requirement of having a sysadmin-main touch their test release by
   installing their rpm directly on the target machine.  They still
   have to jump through some hoops to make it happen.

   Caveat #2.2:
   This is one of the reasons we put so much work into our private
   cloud (dev nodes).  There is no barrier there for teams to set up
   their own continuous deployment mechanism.  This meets most needs,
   but we don't have a way to iterate rapidly on some of the more
   important pieces of our infrastructure.  Apps/services that
   interact with each other don't quite work out on isolated cloud
   nodes.  The bodhi masher?  Koji?  fedmsg?  mirror manager?  We
   can't necessarily test those on dev nodes (and some we can't test
   in staging -- resolving this down the road would save some
   headaches).
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