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On Sep 24, 2011 2:23 PM, "Tristan Santore" <<a href="mailto:tristan.santore@internexusconnect.net">tristan.santore@internexusconnect.net</a>> wrote:<br>
> > On Sep 24, 2011 1:07 PM, "Tristan Santore"<br>
> > <<a href="mailto:tristan.santore@internexusconnect.net">tristan.santore@internexusconnect.net</a><br>
> > <mailto:<a href="mailto:tristan.santore@internexusconnect.net">tristan.santore@internexusconnect.net</a>>> wrote:<br>
> >> On 24/09/11 15:43, Mike McGrath wrote:<br>
> >>> On Fri, 23 Sep 2011, Kevin Fenzi wrote:<br>
> >>><br>
> >>>> Greetings.<br>
> >>>><br>
> >>>> I finally sat down and poked around with the current version of zarafa<br>
> >>>> we have setup (7.0.0).<br>
> >>>><br>
> >>>> Some observations:<br>
> >>>><br>
> >>>> * It seems more responsive and nicer than the 6.x versions were.<br>
> >>>><br>
> >>>> * There doesn't seem to be a way to disable features and just show the<br>
> >>>> calendar that I can figure out. The email part is always there. ;(<br>
> >>>> However, unless we have it set to send incoming emails there, it<br>
> >>>> works fine for just sending calendar invites and the like.<br>
> >>>><br>
> >>>> * The ical / caldav feeds seem to be there and working. Took a bit to<br>
> >>>> find them, but they do work.<br>
> >>>><br>
> >>>> * We can't enable z-push as it's non free, so thats no push for a bunch<br>
> >>>> of mobile devices.<br>
> >>>><br>
> >>>> * Calendars are per user. There is a group calendar feature, but it<br>
> >>>> seems to not be available in the free version.<br>
> >>>><br>
> >>>> So, I am thinking that if we don't want to offer mail hosting, zarafa<br>
> >>>> isn't going to be something we want to support/deploy.<br>
> >>>><br>
> >>>> The only one still getting email into it is Mike.<br>
> >>>> I don't know if other folks are using the calendar or not, but we<br>
> >>>> should check that.<br>
> >>>><br>
> >>>> Any further thoughts or conclusions? Or should we set a sunset date?<br>
> >>>><br>
> >>><br>
> >>> I demand that Fedora continue to offer and support a mailing solution....<br>
> >>> just of me ;-)<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> +1 to the sunset. Let me know when and I'll make arrangements to get my<br>
> >>> mail sent back to my normal account.<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> -Mike<br>
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> >> How about hosting zarafa elsewhere ? In a sane legal zone like the EU!<br>
> >><br>
> >> As long as Fedora doesn't itself host this, its not taking part in<br>
> >> contributory infringement, I would think.<br>
> >><br>
> >> Regards,<br>
> >><br>
> >> Tristan<br>
> >><br>
> >> --<br>
> >> Tristan Santore BSc MBCS<br>
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> >> <a href="mailto:Tristan.Santore@internexusconnect.net">Tristan.Santore@internexusconnect.net</a><br>
> > <mailto:<a href="mailto:Tristan.Santore@internexusconnect.net">Tristan.Santore@internexusconnect.net</a>><br>
> >><br>
> >> Former Thawte Notary<br>
> >> (Please note: Thawte has closed its WoT programme down,<br>
> >> and I am therefore no longer able to accredit trust)<br>
> >><br>
> >> For Fedora related issues, please email me at:<br>
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> On 24/09/11 19:11, brett lentz wrote:<br>
> > Even if that's technically legal, it violates the spirit of what Fedora<br>
> > is all about.<br>
> ><br>
> > ---Brett.<br>
> > <br>
> Using foss service providers does not violate what we are about, and<br>
> besides, if that was the case then we should also ban our users from<br>
> mentioning rpmfusion in the help channel, which is preposterous.</p>
<p>This is a straw man and has nothing to do with what I said.</p>
<p>> Just because the United States has decided to have patents on software,<br>
> which nobody in Fedora agrees with, nor Red Hat for that matter, then<br>
> you can't ask Europe to enforce such stupidity.</p>
<p>I don't see how that's relevant or has anything to do with what I said.</p>
<p>> What you are saying is,<br>
> that we cant basically add European service providers to the list of US<br>
> based service providers we already use. </p>
<p>No. That is not at all what I said.</p>
<p>I said that gaining access to otherwise non-free software through the use of a technicality is not the Fedora way.</p>
<p>> Of course, external providers of<br>
> free services we use to market Fedora, such as facebook, have also faced<br>
> patent infringement claims. Also, we would not be hosting it ourselves,<br>
> we do not violate the principal of having only freely usable software in<br>
> the distribution. The distribution has nothing to do with obtaining<br>
> services from a third-party.<br>
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<p>Yes. I understood your point the first time. I disagree with you that this is an appropriate option.</p>
<p>> Of course,, if there was a better option, which we can mass-roll out to<br>
> allow everyone to work more efficiently together, then great, but people<br>
> have been banging on about a product we need, and nothing has fit the bill.</p>
<p>Correction: Nothing *yet* has fit the bill.</p>
<p>><br>
> And, as a contributor, Id like to have the ability to gain access to<br>
> such collaboration systems, it should be for everyone, not just a select<br>
> few.<br>
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<p>You aren't the only one with this desire. I, and many others share it. But I don't believe it's a good idea to sacrifice our principles and start using technicalities just to gain access to a particular piece of software.</p>
<p>Just because something is technically possible doesn't make it a good solution.</p>
<p>> Regards,<br>
><br>
> Tristan<br>
></p>
<p>---Brett.</p>
<p>> --<br>
> Tristan Santore BSc MBCS<br>
> TS4523-RIPE<br>
> Network and Infrastructure Operations<br>
> InterNexusConnect<br>
> Mobile +44-78-55069812<br>
> <a href="mailto:Tristan.Santore@internexusconnect.net">Tristan.Santore@internexusconnect.net</a><br>
><br>
> Former Thawte Notary<br>
> (Please note: Thawte has closed its WoT programme down,<br>
> and I am therefore no longer able to accredit trust)<br>
><br>
> For Fedora related issues, please email me at:<br>
> <a href="mailto:TSantore@fedoraproject.org">TSantore@fedoraproject.org</a><br>
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