<div dir="ltr"><br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 4:43 PM, Kevin Kofler <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:kevin.kofler@chello.at" target="_blank">kevin.kofler@chello.at</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span class="">Mustafa Muhammad wrote:<br>
> Some of my points were:<br>
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> 1) Almost dead upstream for Konq, vs thriving upstream for Firefox, Konq<br>
> may have undiscovered security vulnerabilities, but the limited number of<br>
> users is hiding them.<br>
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</span>The limited number of users also means nobody will be targeting Konqueror<br>
with attacks. IMHO, this is actually an advantage.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Really?</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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> 2) Slower Konq (maybe qtwebkit to blame)<br>
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</span>I find QtWebKit's speed to be perfectly fine (and for the long term, we hope<br>
we can have QtWebEngine after all, we will need a solution for that anyway<br>
because it will also end up used in other applications than just the<br>
browser).<br></blockquote><div> </div><div>Fine is not fast, we have a faster and better alternative.</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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> 3) KHTML and QtWebEngine not supporting the latest standard (HTML5).<br>
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</span>You mean QtWebKit there. QtWebEngine is not in Fedora yet, and it is based<br>
on Chromium (so supports everything Chromium supports). And QtWebKit<br>
supports a lot of HTML 5, the problem is that the standard is a moving<br>
target! In practice, almost all the web works with QtWebKit (and again, for<br>
the long term, see QtWebEngine).<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>So we wait (at least) another 9 months before Fedora KDE spin users get a better browser?</div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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> 4) The video codecs issue (now, Konq doesn't run YouTube out of the box),<br>
> even if this bug get fixed, no foreseeable YouTube VP9 support (because<br>
> MSE) in Konq, VP9 is about 60% the size of VP8 at the same quality and is<br>
> supported in Firefox and MSE is being worked on.<br>
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</span>Who cares? VP8 works (or should work). We just need to make sure VP8<br>
actually gets used. (And again, for the long term, see QtWebEngine.</blockquote><div><br></div><div>Bandwidth? Full HD? Most of the the content I see in VP8 on YouTube are only 360p, maybe this is a policy, I don't know, but in VP9 it is up to 4K.</div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> <br></blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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And I think this is absolutely the wrong time to switch our browser<br>
considering that:<br>
1. we are already in F23 Alpha freeze (so it is IMHO too late for F23) and<br>
2. the QtWebEngine situation appears to be improving (see my proposal mail),<br>
so we should have a Qt/KDE replacement for Konqueror soon, no need for a<br>
non-KDE one.<br>
<span class=""><br></span></blockquote><div>Then only add it to the live image, it only needs the word "firefox" in the kickstart file.</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span class="">
> Then Rex suggested to discuss this in KDE SIG meeting, on Tuesday,<br>
> 4-8-2015. In the meeting Kevin Kofler voted against the change.<br>
> Daniel Vrátil "believes we should go for Firefox with Konqueror as a<br>
> fallback", but voted against the change to avoid a flame war.<br>
> 5 other KDE SIG members voted for the change.<br>
><br>
> So without a flame war, we have 6 KDE SIG members want the change, and<br>
> Kevin Kofler refuses it.<br>
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</span>What I see is that we have one very vocal user (you) repeatedly beating the<br>
same dead horse. You were already in the thread months ago and you brought<br>
it up AGAIN.<br>
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A non-KDE browser will NEVER be an option for a KDE spin no matter how often<br>
you ask for it.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>"NEVER"? In the meeting I thought the opposite, only you refused the proposal because you hate Firefox, the other 6 members preferred another option to Konqueror, I am not beating a dead horse, I am looking for the benefit of Fedora KDE users, and only YOU are preventing any effort to replace Konqueror or add another option.</div><div><br></div><div>If you don't want to change the default browser, at least add Firefox.</div><div>We already ship 3 file managers (Dolphin, Konqueror, and Krusader), why a good browser should not be added?</div><div> </div><div>Mustafa</div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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Kevin Kofler<br>
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