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gdk at redhat.com
Mon Sep 12 03:49:05 UTC 2005
Boys, boys. You're both pretty. :)
Bryan, I get your point. Lemme talk to some smart folks and see what the
general feeling is around XFS "inside the walls." I'm kinda curious
Greg DeKoenigsberg ] [ the future masters of technology will have
Community Relations ] [ to be lighthearted and intelligent. the
Red Hat ] [ machine easily masters the grim and the
] [ dumb. --mcluhan
On Sun, 11 Sep 2005, Bryan J. Smith wrote:
> On Mon, 2005-09-12 at 08:51 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> > Its not tunnel vision.
> >From the answers I've seen, it is -- it damn is.
> > RHEL features and bugfixes are driven by the customer requests and
> > support calls in a very real sense
> Because Red Hat is getting web servers and Oracle servers (raw slices)
> and grid computing sales. Red Hat is now _losing_ multi-TB file server
> sales because they can_not_ deliver on it with just Ext3 -- especially
> given its lack of user-space filesystem support.
> Sun is eating that up. I guess Red Hat has decided it is not worth
> doing? Or is it because the Fedora developments, including those by its
> own developers who obliviously think "Ext3 doesn't do anything XFS
> That's marketing -- however you slice it -- and a major issue.
> > and not rants in a mailing list
> This isn't a "rant." This is me, a system integrator at Fortune 100
> companies over the last 4 years, telling you not only what I have
> experienced, but what others have experienced. We cannot offer Fedora
> Core and Red Hat Enterprise Linux solutions -- and it starts with Fedora
> The fact that you're taking it as a "rant" instead of -- "hmmm, maybe
> there is a 4-year 'suggestion' this guy is trying to make" -- goes to
> the heart of the matter. I'm not the only "ranting lunatic" out there
> having to "move back" to Solaris for solutions.
> > especially not ones in Fedora marketing list.
> I honestly don't know where else to turn. And when I read the rather
> "say nothing" portion that just feeds the ReiserFS and JFS proponents
> their "Red Hat is unfairly biased towards Ext3" non-sense, I have to
> agree with them from the XFS mis-conceptions presented.
> > If you want Red Hat to listen in relationship to RHEL, try
> > http://redhat.com/support.
> Been there -- a good 4 years.
> > For Fedora, here is how you contribute. Note that the amount of
> > oppurtunities is much more than RHEL
> Yes, I know.
> > * File bug reports
> > * File feature requests with good rationale. I would like to have more
> > than 8 TB filesystems for such and such scenarios might be better than
> > "I want XFS"
> You didn't hear a word I said. That is so sad.
> > * Write code and send in patches
> I'll get farther with SGI than I will Red Hat. I'm asking -- at the
> Fedora level -- to try to get Red Hat involved. I've been trying
> various avenues for 4 years now to no avail.
> And it's only getting more pertinent as Solaris is now on Opteron.
> > * Write documentation
> Way, way -- WAY AHEAD -- of you there.
> > * Translate UI and docs
> > * Package in Fedora Extras
> I'm actually looking to submit several Fedora Extras packages.
> > * Art work, themes and sound themes
> > * Advocate
> I'm well known as a "Red Hat apologist" (even though I hate the title).
> So I find it humorous that you would suggest that to me. ;->
> > * Last but not the least, use it
> Considering I've been integrating Fedora Core in companies as large as
> one major Fortune 20 company in just the last 2 years, and several other
> Fortune 100 companies as well -- again, WAY AHEAD OF YOU THERE.
> > There might be a few I have missed
> Again, I'm not some "I want filesystem X" puke.
> But I know you'll feel free to take my comments as such.
> Bryan J. Smith b.j.smith at ieee.org http://thebs413.blogspot.com
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