<HTML><BODY style="word-wrap: break-word; -khtml-nbsp-mode: space; -khtml-line-break: after-white-space; "><BR><DIV><DIV>Il giorno 23/ago/06, alle ore 00:37, Max Spevack ha scritto:</DIV><BR class="Apple-interchange-newline"><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">That's because on the last question "Have you tried Ubuntu yourself? Is there, in your opinion, something Ubuntu does better than Fedora?" Max didn't actually answered. He cites the main site/wiki efficency and the fist second impression of a missing NetworkManager but then he omits to talk about the obvious better "dektop experience" for Ubuntu users (fade effects, fast user switching, general graphical consinstency [1]).</DIV> </BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">I talked about it -- I think you disagree with my answer, but that's perfectly fine!</DIV></BLOCKQUOTE><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV>No Max, I don't disagree with your analisys, with is punctual and realistic.</DIV><DIV>I've said you didn't answer the question because you, trying to avoid any kind of "attack" or give the littlest aperture to "distro wars" makers, didn't get inside the analisys of your Ubuntu experience telling us what you like and what not about how the distro was "summoned up" {damn, i don't have a dictionary at hand and i miss some words, hope you understand me}.</DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV><BR><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN>If one distribution is making mager changes, then shouldn't they be trying to move all of that upstream, in the spirit of being a good open source citizen?</DIV></BLOCKQUOTE><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV>Absolutely</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV><BR><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Fedora does not support or include non-free software within the distribution.</DIV> </BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">That will never change.</DIV></BLOCKQUOTE><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>I'd like to read "Fedora does not encourage, endorse or include" .... leaving open some doors. </DIV><DIV>In any case in the mail exchange with Raul i've said that I'd like to see a more consistend distribution of software into an handful of repo, and not the actual plethora, never said that Fedora should include mp3 proprietary codec or whatever :-)</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV></DIV><DIV><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Fedora Project should speak loud on this inconsistency (for the record i have 14 different repositories in my yum.repos.d, some enabled some not, and i do not think it's easy to get the reason of this to the "non introduced").</DIV> </BLOCKQUOTE><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Wow.<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN>14?<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN>What are you doing with 14 repos?</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Core, Extras, and maybe 1 third party repo should be almost anything that someone needs unless there's some very specialized work happening.</DIV></BLOCKQUOTE><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>Yes, 14.</DIV><DIV>Essentially the one's available in FedoraTracker's list, avoiding ATrpms and JPackage which gave me problems several times.</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><BR><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">What benefit do you gain from so many additional repos?<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>In this way i can have, test and use a bigger list of "free" software. The virtual PDF printer, the multimedia player .... the external repos take care of the "desiderata" packages in Extras and them some more.</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><BR><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">To me, that seems like it would be a lot of trouble, and a recipe for instability in the system.</DIV></BLOCKQUOTE><BR></DIV><DIV>Yes, indeed. 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