<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 11:33 AM, Jeff Spaleta <<a href="mailto:jspaleta@gmail.com">jspaleta@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
2008/6/10 Clint Savage <<a href="mailto:herlo1@gmail.com">herlo1@gmail.com</a>>:<br>
<div class="Ih2E3d">> That's the idea. I've not confirmed it all with them yet, but they are<br>
> interested in this idea. They want the videos on their site so they get the<br>
> hits and the traffic as well.<br>
> I was thinking it might be a good compromise to have links on the<br>
> <a href="http://fedoraproject.org" target="_blank">fedoraproject.org</a> wiki (or marketing materials) that redirected them to a<br>
> gurulabs page with the video<br>
> they could play. What do you think?<br>
<br>
</div>To be quite honest. I simply do not care where the video is hosted. I<br>
care about generating content by and for the Fedora community,<br>
preferable using the tools that we can ship. The whole point is to<br>
stimulate further interest in unencumbered codecs and associated tools<br>
through the generation of content that is actually useful. The Fedora<br>
community needs to dogfood open video for its own purposes as part of<br>
a larger goal of seeing the video formats and tools broadly adopted.<br>
If we don't do it.. no one will.</blockquote><div><br>Agreed wholeheartedly...<br><br>Right now the only really effective tools we have for video<br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
distribution to get video into the hands of users in some organized<br>
way is the gstreamer backed miro available in Fedora 9.<br>
Flash based video simply embedded in a web browser just isn't going to<br>
cut it yet due to a lack of support in the native flash binary for<br>
ogg. The reliance on A/V in flash needs to be solved before we can<br>
make use of it in the context of the larger project offerings.</blockquote><div><br>I've not used Miro much, but I'll start playing with it this week. <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<br>
So instead we can produce a series of rss feeds aimed at Miro and<br>
encourage users to use miro to watch Fedora community videos. But<br>
Fedora doesn't have to host the videos, just like Fedora's planet<br>
doesn't host individual blogs. We can build a feed that points into<br>
guru labs or other hosting spaces on a video by video basis. I'm sure<br>
Red Hat Magazine will want to get in on the act too from time to time.<br>
Though if guru labs wants to gift some hosting space that the wider<br>
Fedora community can use, beyond what you need, to host tutorial vids<br>
or other utility videos I'm sure our infrastructure lead can talk to<br>
your employer about what a hosting commitment in this area can and<br>
should look like. I know Mike has put some thought into taking<br>
resource donations from outside entities.</blockquote><div> <br>I think this is an excellent idea. I'll run that by them, but I think we could do a few at least to start with and see how it goes from there. Rss feeds seem like a good<br>
choice regarding linking to the actual videos. Let's start with one or two and see how many we can get into the stream. <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
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Video content is quite new for us.<br>
<div class="Ih2E3d"><br>
> What are the licensing options? I've never even looked into licensing video. If it were<br>
> text,<br>
> Open Publication License would work. Does that work for video?<br>
<br>
</div>It's going to be one of the more liberal CC licenses, perhaps<br>
something as liberal as CC-BY-SA. I'm going to make an arbitrary<br>
decision for now that for the time being people experimenting with<br>
Fedora videos license under CC-BY-SA, with an understanding that if<br>
the acceptable licensing changes as part of on-going discussions the<br>
video creators are willing to relicense the works accordingly.<br>
<br>
<a href="http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/" target="_blank">http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/</a></blockquote><div><br>Sounds good to me, I know the CC licenses fairly well and this is a good choice IMO, though IANAL.<br>
</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><a href="http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/" target="_blank"></a><br><div class="Ih2E3d">
> I think they'd go for a simple, 'Video hosting provided by Guru Labs (and<br>
> they're web address)', along with text that explains we're a Linux training<br>
> company or something.<br>
> I'll talk with them about these details this week and see how/if they would<br>
> like to seriously pursue this idea.<br>
<br>
</div>We'll find a way to do something. We can probably just add a tagline<br>
in the miro description for each video noting a hosting credit on a<br>
case by case basis. We can just limit the tagline to some reasonable<br>
length as a general policy bound.</blockquote><div> <br>Sounds good, I like the idea of the tagline and hosting credit, I'll be that'll be enough. I'll see what they are willing to do. In the meantime, I'll come up with a list of a few topics we think we could get out in the next few months or so. I'm willing to try to get out one or two in the next month or so, maybe we should see how it goes with everyone else.
</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><div class="Ih2E3d"><br>
> Tricky part is taking the time to do them, and to get others to take that<br>
> time. However, I feel the time invested in these videos is worth the effort<br>
> for the community as a<br>
> whole. I feel there are people who learn well by reading and others who<br>
> learn well kinesthetically. So lets get more people involved in videos.<br>
<br>
<br>
</div>We have to start somewhere. I think the real video ninjas are out<br>
there waiting to be discovered in the community. I think if we create<br>
a way for them to easily share 'useful' videos through something like<br>
miro, the right people will start stepping out of the userbase cloud<br>
as new contributors in this new area. Don't get me wrong, it's not<br>
going to be easy. People with real video editing experience are going<br>
to be frustrated by the limited nature of toolset we can ship. The<br>
editing tools we can provide are still rough. The more mature tools we<br>
can't touch because of their direct reliance on ffmpeg which I haven't<br>
figure out how to ship with the encumbered bits stripped out<br>
adequately yet. We need to find the 'right' people who have an<br>
interest in video and can impact the development of the gstreamer<br>
based tools that we can ship and help move development forward. But<br>
we have to do something to jumpstart the discussion around open media<br>
formats and shippable tools instead of spending all our times wringing<br>
our hands over our inability to support encumbered media formats.<br>
It's time we start producing our own open content, relevent to our own<br>
open community using our own open tools, the rest of the world be<br>
damned!<br>
<div></div></blockquote><div><br>I agree, wholeheartedly. My current problem is the lack of knowledge I have about gstreamer, and any other free video editing tools. I've heard of fluendo, which I'm guessing is proprietary, and cheese with gstreamer. What else is out there that we can use to edit ogg/theora video, and how can we make it possible to get ogg support as a whole available to embed within a browser? I mean this shouldn't be something too difficult to put into epiphany, konqueror or firefox, should it? <br>
<br>Cheers,<br><br>Clint<br><br></div></div><br>