<div dir="ltr"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2009/10/14 Christoph Wickert <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:christoph.wickert@googlemail.com">christoph.wickert@googlemail.com</a>></span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
Am Mittwoch, den 14.10.2009, 17:26 +0200 schrieb Gregory Zysk:<br>
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> >> If we interact with people outside the community, then yes we do<br>
> need to have some sort of metrics that reflect what we do.<br>
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</div>I don't think that the number of ambassadors reflects what we do. There<br>
are other ways to measure this: The number of events we do, the number<br>
of talks our ambassadors do or the number of Fedora installs [1] and so<br>
on.<br>
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Take a look at Ubuntu, they seem measure their success by the number of<br>
Ubuntu CDs the gave away on an event. I recall talking to a guy from<br>
their community and he said: "It was a very successful event for Ubuntu,<br>
we gave away nearly 3000 CDs." I wasn't really surprised about the high<br>
number because they had big boxes of CDs standing in front of their<br>
booth. People walked by and grabbed 10 or 20 at once while the Ubuntu<br>
people were sitting behind their desk and reading books.<br>
To me this is no success. For me it is more important to have a nice<br>
conversation with somebody. We talk for 5 or 10 minutes and then I give<br>
him a Live-CD before he leaves. I'm sure this person is much more<br>
interested in Fedora and has learned more about the project than<br>
somebody who papers his restroom with Ubuntu-CDs because they bling so<br>
nice. ;)<br>
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We must not take numbers as the key to everything. Numbers do not<br>
reflect how well a community is working or how people actually feel as<br>
being part of this community. Is there a way to measure pride or<br>
gratitude?<br>
<div class="im"><br>
> Those should, of course, be honest, but also precise. Not just a round<br>
> about figure. The reason being legitimacy.<br>
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</div>I think they are precise. The number of Ambassadors has decreased, but<br>
their quality has increased. How would you measure quality by numbers?<br>
<div class="im"><br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Exactly</div><div>I've noticed that the ambassadors available now have full profiles and are very active</div><div>Before that i used to find ambassadors that have only a couple of words on their profiles.</div>
<div>But know whenever Joerg Simon sends a welcome message, i like to see their profiles</div><div>a lot better and productive than before.</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
<div class="im">
> This is one of the largest gauge for an organization which produces<br>
> knowledge as an output. In simple words, these figures can be used for<br>
> external purposes. And why not? The resources are already there (in<br>
> this case)<br>
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</div>What kind of external purposes do you think of?<br>
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Regards,<br>
Christoph<br>
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[1] <a href="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Statistics" target="_blank">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Statistics</a><br>
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