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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 11/13/2015 10:05 PM, Brian Proffitt
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There is one reason for using <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://ow.ly"
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that is it allows the person posting via hootsuite to
track engagement<br>
with a post. I would rather see a URL shortener that
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This was the major point I was thinking of mentioning.
Personally, I feel like link shorteners are only necessary
if they're being utilized to collect statistics and
metrics. Judging by the context of this thread, do we know
who has the keys to the Hootsuite? I feel like social
media engagement statistics are something that could be an
invaluable resource to gauging which of our social media
posts are effective and which ones aren't as engaged.<br>
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<div>That would be me, actually (and Ruth Suehle as well).
Pushing links through the <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://ow.ly">ow.ly</a> link shortener does enable
us to track and follow engagements on individual tweets if
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Because twitter sends all links through their link shortener, this
is possible to track and follow engagements via twitter's web
interface too. I don't see the point of pushing all links through
two different link shorteners that both track and follow
engagements, especially to the detriment of the usability,
consistency & readability of our feed overall.<br>
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If this *is* already happening, then the above paragraph
can be disregarded. In the case that statistics and
metrics are being tracked, I personally vote to abstain
from using link shorteners except where information about
engagements and interactions are actually being utilized.<br>
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<div>I am not sure what the main objection here is.
Aesthetics of an unshortened link seems to be one selling
point, but when I look at links from some database-driven
content management system sites, I don't see that as a
particularly strong reason.</div>
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I have several objections. Usability is one -- the latter part of a
full URL (the part that a database driven CMS may automatically
produce), is of less importance than the domain, IMHO. Personally,
I know I will make a decision on what to click on based on the
domain, and tend to click on shortened links a lot less. This part
of the previously linked article sums this up perfectly IMHO --
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://oleb.net/blog/2012/08/please-dont-use-url-shorteners-on-twitter/#urls-have-meaning">http://oleb.net/blog/2012/08/please-dont-use-url-shorteners-on-twitter/#urls-have-meaning</a><br>
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<div> Also, while Twitter does automatically shorten though
<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://t.co">t.co</a>, in
practice I have found that the longer the URL, the more
likely someone's outdated Twitter client or poor use of
Twitter RTs and MTs will mangle the URL. <br>
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I am a little unclear on what you mean here. Do older twitter
clients mangle URLs when posting a tweet to the Fedora feed? or when
people read the tweet on an older Twitter client. Also, aren't
twitter retweets automatically generated by twitter (or most
clients) when you press the retweet button? or are you talking about
the old practice of prefixing "RT" in front of a copied tweet that
was done before twitter implemented the retweet functionality over 5
years ago? <br>
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<div>Shortening it first is a better practice, in my
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<div>That said, using HootSuite's <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://ow.ly">ow.ly</a> is kind of sad, and
whenever I can, I try to use the Red Hat-branded shortener
via <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://bit.ly">bit.ly</a>.
This works only on <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://redhat.com">redhat.com</a> domain sites,
though, and metrics for engagement have to be tracked
separately, so it's aesthetically nice, but kind of a
pain, too.</div>
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This brings up another issue: consistency on our twitter feed --
some links are shortened with ow.ly, others are not. Not everyone
has access to, or uses hootsuite.<br>
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ryanlerch<br>
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Justin W. Flory<br>
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<div>Peace,</div>
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