<div dir="ltr"><div><div><div><div><div><div><i>"Flame on"</i> :-)<br><br><i>><span> "</span>don't assume you come with all of the answers or that the Fedora Project is doing it all wrong."<br><br></i></div>Haven't made this assumption for one second. If I have given you (or anyone else in the project) this impression, then sincere apologies.<br><br></div><div>I have nothing but respect and admiration for the work the community (which is why I joined!)<br></div><div><br><div>>Joergs message
was YOU SHOULD KNOW THE AMBASSADOR PROGRAMME before you try to chance
it.<br></div><div><br></div><div>You might remember my original "question" was around measuring and metrics... the FACT is that those programs are held under the "outreach" and are presently INACTIVE. Joerg's suggestion was to join outreach. which I did. <br><br></div><div>He was also kind enough to reach out to me in IRC, which I appreciated.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Moreover: I am acting on a prompt from Matthew Miller to try to reactivate the program. <br></div></div><br></div>HOWEVER:<br><br></div>I see this email is going to ambassadors list? I emailed this to the outreach list only, so may I ask why are we emailing this to the ambassadors list? I certainly didn't include this list on my initial email. (who broke protocol first? hehe)<br><br></div>In any case: I'll gladly take the attention boost. <br><br></div><i>(Flame off)</i><br><div><br>I'll you are interested to collaborate on outreach and see what the fuzz is about:<br><br><div><div><div><div><div>Join the following mail-list<br><br><a href="https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/outreach/">https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/outreach/</a><br><br></div><div>Or join the upcoming hangout.<br><br><a href="https://plus.google.com/events/c7ni6kkd5h07848r63oseokap54" target="_blank">https://plus.google.com/events/c7ni6kkd5h07848r63oseokap54</a><br><br></div><div>And Sirko, any specific feedback, you may contact me off-list.<br><br></div><div>Regards,<br><br></div><div>CP<br></div><div><br></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 5 March 2015 at 14:46, S.Kemter <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:sirko.kemter@gmail.com" target="_blank">sirko.kemter@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>Hi,<br><br></div><div>No Joerg didnt write about xposting alone, he also strongly suggested you to read this pages<br><br><a href="https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_be_a_successful_contributor" target="_blank">https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_be_a_successful_contributor</a><br><br></div><div>And if you have done, you would get t a section called "<span>Observation" and there you will find a line "</span>don't assume you come with all of the answers or that the Fedora Project is <i>doing it all wrong."<br></i><br></div><div>I always thought "Marketing people" get messages, Joergs message was YOU SHOULD KNOW THE AMBASSADOR PROGRAMME before you try to chance it.<br><br></div><div>Yes we have a Ambassador programme and it can be always improved definitely but to improve something I should know how it works first!<i><br><br></i></div><div>The list you using for your "outreach" idea was thought for FOSCo, an good idea as there are several contributrs not represented by FESCo or FAmSCo<i>, i</i>ts not about an new programme to replace or improve the Ambassador programme<i>.<br><br></i></div><div>If you have suggestions according to that, do them on the Ambassador list!<br><br></div><div>For the help becoming Ambassador, we have this nice wiki pages guiding you through the process: <a href="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors_Join_start" target="_blank">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors_Join_start</a><br><br></div><div>br gnokii<br></div><div><i></i></div></div><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">2015-03-05 14:14 GMT+01:00 Cesar Pinto <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:cesar.a.pinto@gmail.com" target="_blank">cesar.a.pinto@gmail.com</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><div><div><div>I am indeed that guy, my name is Cesar. Nice to meet you Sirko. <br><br></div>The remarks from Joerg were referred to cross-posting on different email lists (AFAIK)<br><br></div>If you have specific suggestions those are welcome. I need to activate myself as an ambassador I guess? Can you help me with this?<br><br></div>Thanks.<br><br></div>CP<br><div><div><br></div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div>On 5 March 2015 at 14:04, S.Kemter <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:sirko.kemter@gmail.com" target="_blank">sirko.kemter@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br></div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div><div><div>Hi,<br><br></div></div></div>Are you not this guy?<br><br><a href="https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/ambassadors/2015-February/023269.html" target="_blank">https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/ambassadors/2015-February/023269.html</a><br><br></div>Consider reading this mail more carefully and the suggested wiki pages of course to!<br><div><div><br></div>br gnokii<br><div><div><div><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote">2015-03-05 9:35 GMT+01:00 Cesar Pinto <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:cesar.a.pinto@gmail.com" target="_blank">cesar.a.pinto@gmail.com</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><p dir="ltr">Hi Mike, </p>
<p dir="ltr">Thanks for taking the time to reply. </p>
<p dir="ltr">2 points from your note :</p>
<p dir="ltr">- agenda for kickoff : what have we have planned for session? Here is my suggested agenda. </p>
<p dir="ltr">* what is outreach? Define higher level goals for program. <br>
* brainstorming : what are the top 10 prios we should focus on achieving? <br>
* action + timeline : what 3 things we will focus on and by when.</p>
<p dir="ltr">I could prepare some slides to help set the stage. </p>
<p dir="ltr">- google hangouts, why? </p>
<p dir="ltr">I like hangouts because we can save sessions in youtube and easy for people to follow monthly discussions. </p>
<p dir="ltr">Are you affected by issue of flash? Maybe you can join in an android mobile device? </p>
<p dir="ltr">Alternatively I could always setup my red hat bluejeans bridge? We can also record there and that sure works on RHEL CSB. </p>
<p dir="ltr">Do we count you in as a founding member of outreach 2.0? :) </p>
<p dir="ltr">Cheers </p><div><div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, 5 Mar 2015 00:22 Mike Ruckman <<a href="mailto:roshi@fedoraproject.org" target="_blank">roshi@fedoraproject.org</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">On Wed, Mar 04, 2015 at 11:16:40PM +0100, Cesar Pinto wrote:<br>
> *>>it's still kind of quiet around here as this list isn't really off the<br>
> ground yet. Let's change that! (Matthew Miller)*<br>
><br>
> +1<br>
><br>
> Guys,<br>
><br>
> Let´s start.<br>
><br>
> Why Fedora should be excited about outreach?<br>
><br>
> 1.- It helps UNIFY our efforts. Community wide.<br>
> 2.- It helps AMPLIFY our voice. Towards our users, partners and more.<br>
> 3.- It helps FOCUS our work. So we can provide insights which can create<br>
> better outcomes.<br>
><br>
<br>
+1 to all of the above :)<br>
<br>
> Some of us in the community are excited about this initiative, and I<br>
> believe firmly we can make a positive measurable change.<br>
><br>
> I go a bit further. This initiative seems rather strategic to the project.<br>
><br>
> The good news: We don´t need *everyone* at the beginning. We need the right<br>
> people. A committed/talented few to show their leadership and get things<br>
> going.<br>
><br>
> What´s in it for you? An opportunity to step up and focus on the "big<br>
> picture" and help influence the project in a meaningful way.<br>
><br>
<br>
A solid outreach program is for sure a key strategic initiative for<br>
Fedora. It helps us showcase the wonderful community that is the Fedora<br>
Project and brings in new contributors and users.<br>
<br>
> But enough talking, here is my suggestion for a kickoff.<br>
><br>
> <a href="https://plus.google.com/events/c7ni6kkd5h07848r63oseokap54" target="_blank">https://plus.google.com/<u></u>events<u></u>/<u></u>c7ni6kkd5h07848r63oseokap54</a><br>
><br>
> Feel free to suggest an alternative time / date / method of communication /<br>
> approach.<br>
><br>
<br>
While I don't know what you have planned, exactly, for this kickoff -<br>
using google hangout might bar some people from participating due to the<br>
need for flash. I don't know if it's a huge deal, but it's something to<br>
consider. Alternate methods of communications depends on how and what<br>
information you want to showcase - so sorry for not providing an<br>
alternative :(<br>
<br>
> One thing though. Don´t ignore this message.<br>
><br>
> Get involved. Take action. This community needs you.<br>
><br>
> Inspiration:<br>
> <a href="http://www.ted.com/talks/seth_godin_on_the_tribes_we_lead?language=en" target="_blank">http://www.ted.com/talks/seth_<u></u><u></u>godin_on_the_tribes_we_lead?<u></u>la<u></u>nguage=en</a><br>
><br>
> CP<br>
><br>
> --<br>
> Cesar Pinto<br>
><br>
> About me? Marketing and communications enthusiast. Working on IT sales for<br>
> last 10 years, big open source fan. Loves cooking ribs :-)<br>
<br>
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