<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:times new roman,serif;font-size:large"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small">On Wed, Aug 12, 2015 at 11:14 AM, Matthew Miller </span><span dir="ltr" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small"><<a href="mailto:mattdm@fedoraproject.org" target="_blank">mattdm@fedoraproject.org</a>></span><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small"> wrote:</span><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span class="">On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 10:11:39PM -0400, Gary Gatling wrote:<br>
> > I realize we have our guidelines and we're not Debian, Suse or Ubuntu...<br>
> > and that's a good thing. But, if we're making exceptions for Firefox<br>
> > because of it's popularity shouldn't we do the same for Chromium.<br>
> I agree with Gerald. If there are exceptions for firefox due to popularity<br>
> then chromium deserves the same bundling exceptions. Otherwise we are not<br>
> being fair.<br>
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</span>It's important to note that "popularity" is not the sole reason for<br>
exceptions for Firefox. Overall, everyone should review the existing<br>
discussion in the guidelines about bundling exceptions and consider how<br>
this might fit in (possibly including revisions if they make sense):<br>
<a href="https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:No_Bundled_Libraries#Some_reasons_you_might_be_granted_an_exception" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:No_Bundled_Libraries#Some_reasons_you_might_be_granted_an_exception</a><br>
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