FAD Goals and deliverables

[Adam Miller]

On Wed, May 13, 2015 at 4:11 PM, Ralph Bean <rbean at redhat.com> wrote:
> On Wed, May 13, 2015 at 03:44:13PM -0500, Adam Miller wrote:
>> On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 12:10 PM, Dennis Gilmore <dennis at ausil.us> wrote:
>> > On Tuesday, May 12, 2015 01:03:15 PM Paul W. Frields wrote:
>> >> On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 02:57:11PM -0500, Dennis Gilmore wrote:
>> >> > On Sunday, May 10, 2015 01:28:13 PM Dennis Gilmore wrote:
>> >> > > Hi all,
>> >> > >
>> >> > > As we get closer to the FAD we need to nail down the deliverables and
>> >> > > what
>> >> > > we want to achieve by the end of the FAD.  I am going to list some of
>> >> > > the
>> >> > > things I think we need to have done. feel free to discuss and add
>> >> > > things.
>> >> > > at the ned we will update the wiki with the deliverables.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > 1) working pungi 4.
>> >> > > 2) integrated ability to make atomic installer and pxe to live in pungi
>> >> > > 3) mash ported to createrepo_c
>> >> > > 4) rawhide looking like a TC/RC
>> >> > > 5) bodhi2 able to trigger atomic installer and pxe to live as part of
>> >> > > the
>> >> > > update push process.
>> >> > > 6) livemedia-creator koji integration
>> >> > > 7) koji able to manage the url line in kickstarts so that we can do real
>> >> > > builds
>> >> > > 8) run-root plugin configured
>> >> > > 9) Secondary arches working exactly teh same as primary
>> >> > > 10) port pungi to dnf
>> >> > > 11) make headway and plan to port to python 3
>> >> >
>> >> > 12) have koji be able to specify the backend for installing packages into
>> >> > chroots on a per target basis. we will need to use yum/yum-deprecated for
>> >> > most but we will want to use dnf for rawhide and new releases.
>> >> > yum-deprecated will be needed when we move builders to f22
>> >>
>> >> Here are some things that have been under previous discussion some
>> >> time but which I don't see on this list:
>> >>
>> >> * Koji 2 -- What does it look like?  How does it work vs. current
>> >>   Koji?  How will it change compose processes?
>> > at this point in time it does not exist at all. we can not assume anything
>> > about it. I have asked the koji devs to start planning and get moving, but
>> > right now thwere is no such thing.
>> >
>> >> * Composedb -- Dennis has talked about this many times.  Is it still
>> >>   meant to happen?  Is there e.g. a schema design?
>> > Mathieu Bridon was tasked with this but AFAIK there is nothing existing for it
>> > yet. Again we need to move forward without it :( though it is something that I
>> > do really want. Perhaps he can give us an idea where it stands.
>> >
>>
>> It turns out that I have been tasked with composedb[0] in some
>> capacity for FY16, I was hoping to get some background information on
>> it: What is it? What does everyone want it to be? Who do I need to nag
>> appropriately to get some discussion, design doc, $other ongoing out
>> in the open so that we can work towards this and potentially get it on
>> the list for the FAD?
>>
>> -AdamM
>>
>> [0] - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Engineering/FY16_Plan#Application_development
>
> I get the sense that we don't really know what composedb is or should
> be, but having everyone together at the FAD will be a good time to
> suss out those details.

Yeah, a lot of people keep saying things like that but I was really
hoping we could sort out as much as possible on the mailing lists or
$other between now and then so that we could keep the amount of
planning time at the FAD to a minimum and hopefully spend a bulk of
the FAD time working on things. I don't know how realistic that will
turn out to be but it's certainly something I'd like to strive
towards. Maybe have a 1-4 hour planning session at the start of the
FAD and then be doing actual work for the rest of the FAD.

>From the grand pie in the sky concept of composedb (and koji 2.0 for
that matter), I don't really know if that timeframe is feasible if we
don't do any pre-planning on the requirements, desired features and
technical architecture of these things.

Am I crazy to think that for the FAD schedule?

-AdamM