<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:16px"><div class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1439215213043_348984"><span class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1439215213043_352302">Two concerns:</span></div><div class="" dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1439215213043_348986"><span class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1439215213043_349049">1.
I've built, and know many people who still do build, there
system/enterprise disconnected from the internet. Someone else posted
about affecting/changing the workflow in order to get the packages needed when offline, so I'd be considerate of just what is pulled, and why.</span></div><div class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1439215213043_349053" dir="ltr"><span class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1439215213043_349052">2. The packages that remain on the DVD should be reviewed/updated to ensure there are no REQUIRES, or the like, for packages that are no longer going to be on the media.</span></div><div class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1439215213043_349103" dir="ltr"><br class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1439215213043_352309"><span class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1439215213043_349052"></span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1439215213043_352334" dir="ltr"><span class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1439215213043_349052">Thank you.</span></div><div><span></span></div><br> <div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1439215213043_352339" style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1439215213043_352338" style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1439215213043_352337" dir="ltr"> <hr size="1"> <font id="yui_3_16_0_1_1439215213043_352336" face="Arial" size="2"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Stephen Gallagher <sgallagh@redhat.com><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> server@lists.fedoraproject.org <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Monday, August 10, 2015 3:49 PM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: Dropping a lot of files from the DVD<br> </font> </div> <div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1439215213043_352341" class="y_msg_container"><br>On Mon, 2015-08-10 at 13:44 -0600, Stephen John Smoogen wrote:<div class="qtdSeparateBR"><br><br></div><div class="yqt2553308356" id="yqtfd58508"><br clear="none">> On 10 August 2015 at 13:29, Stephen Gallagher <<a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:sgallagh@redhat.com" href="mailto:sgallagh@redhat.com">sgallagh@redhat.com</a>> <br clear="none">> wrote:<br clear="none">> > On Mon, 2015-08-10 at 15:19 -0400, Simo Sorce wrote:<br clear="none">> > > On Mon, 2015-08-10 at 14:46 -0400, Stephen Gallagher wrote:<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> > > > Thoughts? I'd like to put this plan in place well in advance of<br clear="none">> > > > Beta so<br clear="none">> > > > that we can validate it with early test composes (and not risk<br clear="none">> > > > slippage).<br clear="none">> > > <br clear="none">> > > So the DVD just become a netinstall++ ?<br clear="none">> > <br clear="none">> > Well, no. The DVD would essentially become "Here's the stuff we <br clear="none">> > think<br clear="none">> > you need" rather than "Here's all the stuff somebody might ever <br clear="none">> > need".<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> Never ever ever say "we think you need" on a release for system<br clear="none">> administrators. You have just summoned the demons of "You don't know<br clear="none">> what I need to get work done.." and "Does anyone really need anything<br clear="none">> other than bash and maybe dnf?" :).<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> So I know that several sites with locked down networks have been <br clear="none">> using<br clear="none">> the server dvd as the replacement for garbage collection DVD's of old<br clear="none">> releases because it did have those things. I don't know how many of<br clear="none">> those people there are.. but I expect some amount of swearing and<br clear="none">> demonizing from them as it means a new workflow they need (or a<br clear="none">> different OS).<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> That said, I am not against lowering the size of the DVD down to a<br clear="none">> 'this is what we want to call Server OS' amount</div><br clear="none">> <br clear="none"><br clear="none"><br clear="none">Now, that would be a really excellent set of data points, if you could<br clear="none">get some information from them on which specific packages they care<br clear="none">about. (Or convince them to join this list or contact me specifically,<br clear="none">whatever they are comfortable with).<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Certainly, if there are good reasons for carrying certain packages, we<br clear="none">don't need to drop them. That said, much of what's on the Server DVD is<br clear="none">leftover cruft, so I'd personally prefer that we drop everything and<br clear="none">started adding certain high-value items back than tried to cut things<br clear="none">down one at a time.<br><div class="yqt2553308356" id="yqtfd43407">_______________________________________________<br clear="none">server mailing list<br clear="none"><a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:server@lists.fedoraproject.org" href="mailto:server@lists.fedoraproject.org">server@lists.fedoraproject.org</a><br clear="none"><a shape="rect" href="https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/server" target="_blank">https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/server</a></div><br><br></div> </div> </div> </div></body></html>