[Fedora-spins] spins in f19

[Jaroslav Reznik]

On Sunday 27 of January 2013 14:53:54 Christoph Wickert wrote:
> Am Freitag, den 25.01.2013, 13:54 -0700 schrieb Kevin Fenzi:
> > So, we had a fudcon session about spins, but it was merged with the
> > talk on Fedora Formulas and we didn't really decide anything about
> > spins.
> 
> Glad to hear that.
> 
> I saw the session on Youtube and I disagree to a lot that was said. I
> think it's good that things are not set in stone yet.
> 
> > Formulas aren't going to fully replace spins, and even if they do, they
> > likely won't be ready for f19 anyhow, so we need to figure out what we
> > do for f19 now.
> > 
> > a) what about the new spins that didn't get added in f18?
> > If their spin owners are actually active, they should chime in and
> > commit their ks to git and update the f19 spins page with their size
> > and so releng knows to produce them.
> > 
> > b) Any new spins need to SUBMIT THEIR KS FILES ASAP so we can avoid
> > problems where things don't make it.
> > 
> > c) There's no meetings, Christoph is swamped, how do we want to handle
> > the day to day business of the sig?
> 
> Fortunately I'm not *that* swamped any longer and I am currently working
> on our trac to move the spin reviews from the wiki to the track
> instance.
> 
> > I was thinking we should require at each freeze point that any spins we
> > promote on spins.fedoraproject.org have at least 2 people sign off that
> > they tested them and they basically work. If 0 people do this sign off,
> > we should still produce them, but they sit in alt and don't get
> > promoted anywhere. If a spin doesn't get any testing for an entire
> > cycle, we drop them completely.
> 
> Makes sense, but IHMO dropping a spin will only make things
> worse.Without live media, there is no easy way to test things and the in
> the end, things that received little testing will be tested even less.
> It seems that even KDE didn't get proper testing this time and I think
> we all agree we cannot drop it.

No proper testing for KDE? Really?

I see quite a good coverage even for LXDE, Xfce and Sugar [1].

[1] 
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Fedora_18_Final_RC4_Desktop?rd=Test_Results:Current_Desktop_Test

> 
> I think we need to work on fixing the process. Dropping a spin is only
> the last resort.
> 
> Kind regards,
> Christoph
> 
> 
> 
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