<div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 19:55, Andy Lawrence <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:dr.diesel@gmail.com">dr.diesel@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
<div class="gmail_quote"><div class="im">On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 8:22 PM, Jason D. Clinton <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:me@jasonclinton.com" target="_blank">me@jasonclinton.com</a>></span> wrote:<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div class="gmail_quote"><div><br>It will be considered "ready" without widgets.<br><br></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></div><div>Without widgets,</div></div></blockquote><div><br>No, without applets and without a new widget system. System tray icons are still there: in fallback in the old tray, in Shell in the message tray.<br>
<br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div class="gmail_quote"><div> firewall control, vino, any method for user groups/control, selinux menu, ability to reboot, menu system missing "programming",</div>
</div></blockquote><div><br>All these things work in Shell *and* in fallback mode. In fallback mode they are pretty much the same as they've always been; in Shell they are in slightly different locations but still exist. (Firewall and selinux GUI's are a distro thing.) I'd like to know where you're getting your misinformation so we can cut that off at the source.<br>
<br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div class="gmail_quote"><div> no desktop.</div></div></blockquote><div><br>You can turn it on if you care about it that much; the ability hasn't been removed.<br>
<br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div class="gmail_quote"><div>As an RHEL admin I don't think my only option of "Suspend" is a good choice for my quad 4-core stack of servers.</div>
</div></blockquote><div>...<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div class="gmail_quote"><div>I wish the Gnome group well; but my servers, desktops and laptops are not tablets. I really hate to think that will happen if this stuff ends up in RHEL7.</div>
</div></blockquote><div><br>No server admin is going to initiate a server reboot from a GUI menu
*today* and they still won't with GNOME 3. And we're *years* away from
RHEL7; give it time and maybe the UI will reach the level of service
status maturity that would be required to make such a GUI reliable
enough to use to judge what to do with a server.<br>
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