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Well, I am currently trying out Gnome 3, haven't got to the provided
tests yet, and am having too many stability issues; perhaps there
will be a suite of updates that address many of the issues. I will
try and document my issues as soon as I can.<br>
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Today's Topics:
1. Sample items and configurations to test updates (Samuel Greenfeld)
2. Re: Well, I've tried GNOME 3 now... (David L)
3. Re: Well, I've tried GNOME 3 now... (Ralf Corsepius)
4. Re: Well, I've tried GNOME 3 now... (Adam Williamson)
5. Cannot login to F15 without nomodeset (Manilal K M)
6. Re: Cannot login to F15 without nomodeset (Per Bothner)
7. Re: Well, I've tried GNOME 3 now... (Jan Wildeboer)
8. Re: Well, I've tried GNOME 3 now... (Ralf Corsepius)
9. Re: Well, I've tried GNOME 3 now... (Ed Greshko)
10. Re: Well, I've tried GNOME 3 now... (Ralf Corsepius)
11. Re: Well, I've tried GNOME 3 now... (Rahul Sundaram)
12. Re: Well, I've tried GNOME 3 now... (Ed Greshko)
13. rawhide report: 20110427 changes (Rawhide Report)
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Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 22:48:53 -0400
From: Samuel Greenfeld <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:greenfeld@laptop.org"><greenfeld@laptop.org></a>
Subject: Sample items and configurations to test updates
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Watching the latest updates in Fedora, there have been many items (libtiff,
wireshark, asterisk, etc.) which I know how to use, but I am somewhat
hesitant to test since they require having a lot of sample files,
configurations, and (in the case of things like Asterisk) other systems to
talk to.
And while Bugzilla often tells us the exact format(s) and protocol(s) fixed
by a release, the particular items needed to test it are hard to predict in
advance.
Does the Fedora test team or a related project have a library of
configuration and test files of various types which may be downloaded for
testing purposes? If not perhaps we should create one. Making setups and
sample items on the fly using software other than that under test can take
me a lot of time.
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On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 8:28 AM, Adam Williamson wrote:
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</pre>
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<pre wrap="">
Obsessively follow? All you had to do was install Fedora 12, 13 or 14
and hit the 'GNOME Shell' button in desktop-effects.
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap="">
I can't speak for other people, but when I tried gnome
shell in Fedora 13, it was just completely broken
(at least on my hardware) to the point that I couldn't
really even see what I didn't like about it. And from what
I remember, it seemed a lot different from what I see
now on fedora 15 beta. At the time, I attributed the problem
to bad 3D on my hardware and the fact that is was a really
early release. It's only now that it's working well enough that
I can actually use it that I notice what I don't like about it.
Here are a few things that annoy me about gnome shell:
- The panel on the top is mostly wasted space AFAICT and
I haven't figured out how to add a custom launcher that my
5 year old is used to. Am I missing something?
- After you've started one terminal shell and you try to start
another one, it just brings you to the first one you started
unless you right click and tell it to start a new shell.
- After you finally figure out how to start a bunch of shells
(or any kind of window I suspect), switching between
workspaces is painfully slow (like a second or two). And it
doesn't have to even be switching from or to a workspace
that has a lot of windows. As long one workspace has
a lot of open windows, it's really slow.
- I have used multiple rows and columns of workspaces
for like 17 years and every Linux windows environment
I've worked with has had that capability. I don't see a
way to get many columns of workspaces in gnome shell
- related to the last point, I have a tradition of organizing
different things in different workspaces. I work
for three different companies and I dedicate rows to
each company. The right workspace is for email. The
left one is for vnc sessions into the company's server.
The next one is for browsers, etc. In addition to not having
multiple columns of workspaces, the rows don't seem
to even exist until I put a window in them. So I can't
get to row N until rows 1->N-1 exist. Am I missing
something or is it impossible get a fixed NxM grid of
workspaces in gnome-shell?
- Couldn't find an easy way to get focus follows mouse.
Ended up having to use gconf-edit.
- Wasn't obvious how to revert to fallback mode. It's
under system info... I expected system info to tell
me things like processor type, etc, not be the place
to configure 2D fallback mode.
The gnome3 fallback mode solves the speed problem
and I can get a workspace grid.
FWIW, here's the smolt profile that shows my video
card. I assume gnome-shell is much faster on other
hardware, but it's pretty slow on this system:
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.smolts.org/client/show/pub_eac1ae65-2436-4ef5-9caf-cf4923b716e5">http://www.smolts.org/client/show/pub_eac1ae65-2436-4ef5-9caf-cf4923b716e5</a>
Cheers...
David
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Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2011 06:56:45 +0200
From: Ralf Corsepius <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:rc040203@freenet.de"><rc040203@freenet.de></a>
Subject: Re: Well, I've tried GNOME 3 now...
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On 04/26/2011 05:23 PM, Gerald Henriksen wrote:
</pre>
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<pre wrap="">On Tue, 26 Apr 2011 03:43:55 +0000 (UTC), you wrote:
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">Why did Fedora decide to abandon Gnome 2, instead of offering Gnome 3 as
an experimental college-level project via a spin (as one poster here already
asked), representing a work-in-progress where geeks still learn their Computer
Science principles and skills ?
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap="">
As much as I dislike Gnome 3 and am considering my alternatives, it is
very unfair to dump on Fedora for the problems with Gnome 3.
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap="">Why? I think it's appropriate to dump Fedora because of this, because
Fedora has made Gnome 3 it's default desktop and because Fedora is
actively promoting it.
</pre>
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<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">Do you know that even on Gnome 3 Shell devs (and users) list people admit that
they possibly boxed themselves into a corner and now are not willing or able
to reverse the course where things went wrong ?
It is a Fedora problem, and it will be a Red Hat problem in due time !
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap="">
Red Hat is fortunate that they can wait and see, and if necessary
evaluate the cost/benefit and if necessary allocate resources to the
issue.
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap="">Well, as others already said, the current Fedora 15 desktop is unusable
to many people. "Kool smartphone kiz" and newcomers may like it, as I
feel it's unusable for "business class use-cases" due to its GUI-design.
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">Fedora, as a volunteeer effort, cannot.
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap="">It's worse. I fear Fedora will loose contributors, because Fedora is not
shipping the DE these users want.
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Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 22:14:37 -0700
From: Adam Williamson <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:awilliam@redhat.com"><awilliam@redhat.com></a>
Subject: Re: Well, I've tried GNOME 3 now...
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On Wed, 2011-04-27 at 06:56 +0200, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">Fedora, as a volunteeer effort, cannot.
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap="">It's worse. I fear Fedora will loose contributors, because Fedora is not
shipping the DE these users want.
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap="">
We ship every major currently maintained desktop. Which one do you think
is missing?
</pre>
</blockquote>
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<div class="moz-signature">-- <br>
Two quotes from correspondence of John Adams to Thomas Jefferson
and others, notes in the margins of the never ending books he read
near the end of his life; its strange that we are taught so little
of one of the most influential men of the generation that created
this country.
“...Admire and adore the Author of the telescopic universe, love
and esteem the work, do all in your power to lessen ill, and
increase good, but never assume to comprehend....”
“...I never delighted much in contemplating commas and colons, or
in spelling or measuring syllables; but now …..if I attempt to
look at these little objects, I find my imagination, in spite of
all my exertions, roaming in the Milky Way, among the nebulae,
those mighty orbs, and stupendous orbits of suns, planets,
satellites, and comets, which compose the incomprehensible
universe; and if I do not sink into nothing in my own estimation,
I feel an irresistible impulse to fall on my knees, in adoration
of the power that moves, the wisdom that directs, and the
benevolence that sanctifies this wonderful whole” </div>
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