Serial is definitely needed and is a beta blocker. I am with Adam.<div><br></div><div>Dan<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 6:04 PM, Adam Williamson <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:awilliam@redhat.com">awilliam@redhat.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5">On Wed, 2012-03-07 at 08:21 -0500, Kamil Paral wrote:<br>
> > Because there are some objections for serial interface being in final<br>
> > criterion, I'd like to start discussion again. There was discussion<br>
> > on<br>
> > blocker bug meeting [1] (17:40) and it didn't end with unanimous<br>
> > decision. So, let the flame war begin. Do you want serial interface<br>
> > in<br>
> > beta criterion? I asked anaconda team for suggestion and here is<br>
> > their<br>
> > answer [2]. What is your opinion?<br>
> ><br>
> > [1] <a href="http://goo.gl/921Vo" target="_blank">http://goo.gl/921Vo</a><br>
> > [2]<br>
> > <a href="https://www.redhat.com/archives/anaconda-devel-list/2012-February/msg00144.html" target="_blank">https://www.redhat.com/archives/anaconda-devel-list/2012-February/msg00144.html</a><br>
><br>
> My view is that having it Final is easier and having it Beta is more<br>
> beneficial. Serial console is used a lot for various VM setups and<br>
> automated testing. If we have it in Final, we might not get as much<br>
> bug reports received from general public, because in Beta it will be<br>
> broken.<br>
><br>
> The QA team uses TCs and RCs, but still, this issue might get fixed<br>
> just soon before Final if the requirement is Final. That makes all<br>
> tests based on serial console useless, because they will pass only at<br>
> the end of development cycle. Here's an example of such a test:<br>
> <a href="http://autoqa-stg.fedoraproject.org/resultsdb/frontend/search?type=Testcase&terms=rats_install" target="_blank">http://autoqa-stg.fedoraproject.org/resultsdb/frontend/search?type=Testcase&terms=rats_install</a><br>
><br>
> So it hurts both us and the bug reports from public. I don't know how<br>
> hard is to maintain serial console for Anaconda team. Maybe it's a<br>
> nightmare. But if it is doable, I would prefer having it in Beta.<br>
<br>
</div></div>I think that's pretty strong reasoning, and it makes me lean towards<br>
Beta as well.<br>
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