Chuck, I don't know what you're trying to say/achieve here...<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/9/11 Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX N2469R <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:caf@omen.com" target="_blank">caf@omen.com</a>></span><br>
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On 09/11/2012 10:58 AM, David Lehman wrote:<br>
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On Tue, 2012-09-11 at 10:24 -0700, Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX N2469R wrote:<br>
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On 09/11/2012 08:07 AM, David Lehman wrote:<br>
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On Mon, 2012-09-10 at 14:07 -0700, Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX N2469R wrote:<br>
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Had a frustrating experience with the fat cow installer.<br>
Something in one of the selections I made had a<br>
missing dependency (or whatever). Missing dependencies<br>
are a part of developmental installs.<br>
<br>
What was most frustrating is that the installer did not<br>
indicate which selection was causing the problem. I<br>
had to go into whack-a-mole mode, repeatedly removing<br>
selections and retrying until the offending package was<br>
removed.<br>
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If you cannot tolerate an alpha installer, try _not_ tempting fate by<br>
doing a simple, minimal install. That means automatic partitioning<br>
(expect us to wipe the disks you select) and a minimal package set. Once<br>
you're out of the horrible installer you can customize to your heart's<br>
content.<br>
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There are so many things wrong with this bagbiter installer.<br>
Why can't Fedora use the Fedora 16 installer, which was<br>
relatively friendly and much more useful.<br>
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You can always use yum to update from one release to the next.<br>
<br>
I know it can be frustrating, but if you want to run alpha releases of a<br>
by-definition bleeding-edge distribution, that means things change. Not<br>
just the things you personally want changed.<br>
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What was so wrong with the working installer that required<br>
writing a new one from scratch?<br>
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-- <br>
Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX N2469R <a href="mailto:caf@omen.com" target="_blank">caf@omen.com</a> <a href="http://www.omen.com" target="_blank">www.omen.com</a><br>
Developer of Industrial ZMODEM(Tm) for Embedded Applications<br>
Omen Technology Inc "The High Reliability Software"<br>
10255 NW Old Cornelius Pass Portland OR 97231 <a href="tel:503-614-0430" value="+15036140430" target="_blank">503-614-0430</a><br>
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In my experience using Yum to update to a new release has<br>
resulted in a defective system. And there is always the<br>
possibility that hardware failures may oblige me to make<br>
a fresh install. A processor upgrade usually demands a<br>
fresh install.<br>
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As I said before, the alpha can be installed if you keep the tweaking to<br>
a minimum during installation.<br>
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Then there is a question of prominently showing substandard<br>
software to the public. We all know about first impressions<br>
in social settings. In operating systems it is the installer that<br>
makes the first impressions.<br>
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If you're showing people a (pre-)Alpha as their first impression of<br>
Fedora then the blame for that poor judgment lies with you.<br>
<br>
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I am not showing pre-alpha Fedora to anyone.<br>
I am not discussing it anywhere except on this list.<br>
I am certainly not announcing anything on Distrowatch et al.<div class="im HOEnZb"><br>
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-- <br>
Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX N2469R <a href="mailto:caf@omen.com" target="_blank">caf@omen.com</a> <a href="http://www.omen.com" target="_blank">www.omen.com</a><br>
Developer of Industrial ZMODEM(Tm) for Embedded Applications<br>
Omen Technology Inc "The High Reliability Software"<br>
10255 NW Old Cornelius Pass Portland OR 97231 <a href="tel:503-614-0430" value="+15036140430" target="_blank">503-614-0430</a><br>
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