<div dir="ltr">Hi,<br>I'm new here and just sent the introduction mail so I hope I don't do something horribly wrong here...<br><br>I see that some of the debate here is that the documentation is not full enough (uefi stuff), if I am right on this then I think the best way to handle it will be to include the relevant paragraphs from the man page on the wiki...<br>
<br>I am willing to do this but since I don't really know what exactly you are talking about I need some guidance...<br><br>I would like to see where can I see the rest of this debate and others if needed.<br><br>If I did something wrong here I apologize<br>
<br>Moshe<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 10:05 PM, Chris Murphy <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:lists@colorremedies.com" target="_blank">lists@colorremedies.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div class="im"><br>
On Jan 26, 2013, at 12:06 PM, John Reiser <<a href="mailto:jreiser@bitwagon.com">jreiser@bitwagon.com</a>> wrote:<br>
<br>
> It's a matter of cost, which varies. My out-of-pocket expense<br>
> of burning "4x" DVD+RW (@ $0.24) has been about the same as using USB stick (@ $12.)<br>
> I've had USB sticks wear out (bit errors, and not from too many writes)<br>
> after some years, just as I have had DVD+RW fail after fewer than 100 rewrites.<br>
> Sometimes wall-clock latency matters a lot to me; then top-quality "16x" DVD+R<br>
> (@ $0.25) is best.<br>
<br>
</div>Besides USB being on all computers that run Fedora, and computers with optical drives shrinking; even 16x DVD is slower than molasses on a Minnesota Tuesday in the dead of winter. If time is money, and the choice is a matter of cost, then DVD is expensive.<br>
<div class="im"><br>
<br>
> I have no problems producing USB sticks that are UEFI bootable [and they do work],<br>
> because I read the documentation, which includes "man livecd-iso-to-disk",<br>
> where the "--efi" parameter is explained.<br>
<br>
</div>I'm not talking about you, or me. The context from the outset was the Installation Guide, and regular users.<br>
<br>
The Installation Guide does not mention man livecd-iso-to-disk, or any of its switches. And it would be *inappropriate*, to say the least, if the Installation Guide did refer the user to a man page.<br>
<div class="im"><br>
> I do get persistent user data when I use the appropriate incantation.<br>
<br>
</div>Incantation is not in the Installation Guide.<br>
<div class="im"><br>
> I get a re-format when I ask for it via --format.<br>
<br>
</div>That incantation is not in the Installation Guide.<br>
<div class="im"><br>
<br>
><br>
>>> The only hassles are when I switch between i386 and x86_64, or between<br>
>>> UEFI and non-UEFI systems, both of which work better for me with a re-format.<br>
><br>
> <<snip>><br>
>> So I'm still left wondering why dd is last.<br>
><br>
> It's a wiki. Put your $0.02 there, too.<br>
<br>
</div>OK thanks for scraping the bottom of the barrel.<br>
<br>
boot.iso vs Fedora-18-x86_64-netinst.iso, presumably you prefer Fedora-18-x86_64-netinst.iso?<br>
<br>
efiboot.img doesn't actually create bootable media, so presumably you prefer Fedora-18-x86_64-netinst.iso for that too?<br>
<br>
And "Not available" for both UEFI install and minimal USB media, presumably you agree is incorrect, and should have Fedora-18-x86_64-DVD.iso and Fedora-18-x86_64-netinst.iso respectively.<br>
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