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On Sep 23, 2013 3:49 PM, Jóhann B. Guđmundsson <<a href="mailto:johannbg@gmail.com">johannbg@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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> Greetings you all<br>
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> After bit of irc discussion there is a compelling reason to move entirely away from Red Hat bugzilla as well as away from concept of hosting our own.<br>
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> Now it pretty much boils down to this.<br>
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> 1. Generic attitude of many maintainers is that reports either go to the correct place ( upstream ) or they get their bugzilla ignored.<br>
> 2. More often than not downstream maintainer as in packager does not know the code at all so filling the bug downstream makes no sense since it brings just unnecessary latency to the process.<br>
> 3. Hosting our own bugzilla cost resources and does not solve 1. or 2.<br>
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> I personally for many years have argued against this since to an reporter it might mean having thousand of accounts but given that we are going through new fase and the times are changing in the linux eco system I would like to get your opinion about we stop reporting altogether in Red Hat bugzilla and report only directly upstream as in kernel bugs to the kernel community, Gnome bugs to theirs, KDE to their etc.<br>
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> The obvious benefit of doing this is that our bugs might actually get look at,dealt with as well as all that being done in a shorter time frame.<br>
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> Thoughts and comment.<br>
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> JBG<br>
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<p dir="ltr">Bug trackers and maintainer triage are a service to both users and developers. Larger projects might accommodate providing this upstream, but not all can or wish to. Small projects might turn to fedorahosted, or OBS, or launchpad. Remove the service, and we are less appealing for developers to directly participate in. Send users to another service, and they begin to question our value. I have been pondering an allegory for you, enjoy:</p>
<p dir="ltr">I invite you to go camping. You are having fun, until I take a burning stick from the fire and poke you in the arm. You learn fire is hot, and know me as the one that burned you.</p>
<p dir="ltr">My campsite does not have a first aid kit. I tell you about therapeutic plants, and send you into the forest. As you search, you discover another campsite. They share their first aid kit. You might need further medical care, or not. You learn burns can heal, and know this party as the one that healed you. </p>
<p dir="ltr">As you visit, you learn that everyone that goes camping can get hurt sooner or later. When they invite you to stay, you accept, because I am still the one that burned you.</p>
<p dir="ltr">This proposal says that your arm is half cooked, and we're getting hungry anyway, so we cut the arm off and eat it.</p>
<p dir="ltr">--Pete</p>