<div dir="ltr">On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 1:54 PM, <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:keld@keldix.com" target="_blank">keld@keldix.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div class="im">On Thu, Jan 24, <a href="tel:2013" value="+9722013">2013</a> at 11:12:10AM +0200, Yaron Shahrabani wrote:<br>
> On Thu, Jan 24, <a href="tel:2013" value="+9722013">2013</a> at 11:06 AM, Yuri Chornoivan <<a href="mailto:yurchor@ukr.net">yurchor@ukr.net</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
</div>> > Thu, 24 Jan <a href="tel:2013" value="+9722013">2013</a> 10:10:05 +0200 ???????? ???????????????? Yaron Shahrabani <<br>
<div class="im">> > <a href="mailto:sh.yaron@gmail.com">sh.yaron@gmail.com</a>>:<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > On Thu, Jan 24, <a href="tel:2013" value="+9722013">2013</a> at 10:06 AM, Yuri Chornoivan <<a href="mailto:yurchor@ukr.net">yurchor@ukr.net</a>><br>
> >> wrote:<br>
> >><br>
</div>> >> Thu, 24 Jan <a href="tel:2013" value="+9722013">2013</a> 09:49:18 +0200 ???????? ???????????????? Yaron Shahrabani <<br>
<div><div class="h5">> >>> <a href="mailto:sh.yaron@gmail.com">sh.yaron@gmail.com</a>>:<br>
> >>><br>
> >>><br>
> >>> Hi Yuri!<br>
> >>><br>
> >>>> Just to make sure, is this package using CLDR?<br>
> >>>><br>
> >>>> Yaron Shahrabani<br>
> >>>><br>
> >>>> <Hebrew translator><br>
> >>>><br>
> >>>><br>
> >>> Hi Yaron!<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> No. It is not. It is Fedora/Red Hat-only solution, not used in any other<br>
> >>> distributions (AFAIK).<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> Best regards,<br>
> >>> Yuri<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> Hi again!<br>
> >><br>
> >> CLDR has nothing to do with cross distro, it's a standard directory for<br>
> >> international definitions like the names of the day in each language or<br>
> >> the<br>
> >> name of the months, names of languages, countries etc.<br>
> >><br>
> >> This way you don't need to wait for the translators to do it, you just<br>
> >> copy<br>
> >> this definitions from there or use it via an external package providing<br>
> >> all<br>
> >> this info (I think it's called ICU).<br>
> >><br>
> >> Kind regards,<br>
> >> Yaron Shahrabani.<br>
> >><br>
> ><br>
> > No, system-config-date does not use CLDR and I am not a developer of<br>
> > system-config-date. Please report bugs if you want this feature.<br>
> ><br>
> I see, thanks for the clarification.<br>
><br>
> ><br>
> > The crowd translations from CLDR are of very low quality (imho) and should<br>
> > be used with great care, at least for Ukrainian. The results of their<br>
> > application at transifex are not very promising. The general idea was good<br>
> > but the implementation is very inflexible and at least sometimes leads to<br>
> > mistakes.<br>
> ><br>
> Why don't you get involved in CLDR in order to fix that?<br>
<br>
</div></div>I think we should rather use the glibc data that has good participation from Linux, and IMHO<br>
has better data quality for as number of locales, including Danish, my own language.<br>
<br>
best regards<br>
keld<br></blockquote><div style>Gettext does not include translation of terms, only the plural forms, these are related though quite different :) </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div class="im"><br>
> ><br>
> > Broken dates in Ukrainian locale on Transifex due to mistakes in CLDR:<br>
> ><br>
</div>> > <a href="http://dl.dropbox.com/u/**55247264/broken_dates.png" target="_blank">http://dl.dropbox.com/u/**55247264/broken_dates.png</a><<a href="http://dl.dropbox.com/u/55247264/broken_dates.png" target="_blank">http://dl.dropbox.com/u/55247264/broken_dates.png</a>><br>
<div class="im">><br>
> Do you need my assistance in opening a bug in CLDR?<br>
><br>
> Thanks for pointing that out, I had no idea, In Hebrew it works pretty well.<br>
><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > Best regards,<br>
> > Yuri<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> >>><br>
> >>><br>
> >>><br>
> >>>> On Tue, Jan 22, <a href="tel:2013" value="+9722013">2013</a> at 1:54 PM, Yuri Chornoivan <<a href="mailto:yurchor@ukr.net">yurchor@ukr.net</a>><br>
> >>>> wrote:<br>
> >>>><br>
> >>>> Hi,<br>
> >>>><br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>> You might already realized that system-config-date translations [1]<br>
> >>>>> were<br>
> >>>>> wiped due to minor mistake in template names (the original template was<br>
> >>>>> replaced by system-config-date interface template, then restored).<br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>> The maintainer answered to my request as follows:<br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>> "it seems that I've made a copy-paste error, I should have fixed this<br>
> >>>>> now."<br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>> Now the template is on its right place and the translations can be<br>
> >>>>> restored using POs from src RPM. Just extract it for your language then<br>
> >>>>> upload to Transifex [1].<br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>> Hope this helps.<br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>> Best regards,<br>
> >>>>> Yuri<br>
> >>>>><br>
</div><div class="im">> >>>>> [1] <a href="https://fedora.transifex.com/******projects/p/system-config-****" target="_blank">https://fedora.transifex.com/******projects/p/system-config-****</a><br>
> >>>>> date/**<<a href="https://fedora.transifex.com/****projects/p/system-config-**date/**" target="_blank">https://fedora.transifex.com/****projects/p/system-config-**date/**</a>><br>
> >>>>> <<a href="https://fedora." target="_blank">https://fedora.</a>**<a href="http://transifex.com/**projects/p/**system-config-date/**" target="_blank">transifex.com/**projects/p/**system-config-date/**</a><<a href="https://fedora.transifex.com/**projects/p/system-config-date/**" target="_blank">https://fedora.transifex.com/**projects/p/system-config-date/**</a>><br>
> >>>>> ><br>
> >>>>> resource/timezones_master/<**htt**ps://fedora.transifex.**com/**<<a href="http://fedora.transifex.com/**" target="_blank">http://fedora.transifex.com/**</a>><br>
> >>>>> projects/p/system-config-date/****resource/timezones_master/<h**<br>
</div>> >>>>> ttps://<a href="http://fedora.transifex.com/**projects/p/system-config-date/**" target="_blank">fedora.transifex.com/**projects/p/system-config-date/**</a><br>
> >>>>> resource/timezones_master/<<a href="https://fedora.transifex.com/projects/p/system-config-date/resource/timezones_master/" target="_blank">https://fedora.transifex.com/projects/p/system-config-date/resource/timezones_master/</a>><br>
> >>>>> ><br>
> >>>>> ><br>
> >>>>><br>
<div class="im">> >>>>> [2] <a href="ftp://fr2.rpmfind.net/linux/******fedora/linux/development/**" target="_blank">ftp://fr2.rpmfind.net/linux/******fedora/linux/development/**</a><<a href="ftp://fr2.rpmfind.net/linux/****fedora/linux/development/**" target="_blank">ftp://fr2.rpmfind.net/linux/****fedora/linux/development/**</a>><br>
> >>>>> <**<a href="ftp://fr2.rpmfind.net/linux/****fedora/linux/development/**" target="_blank">ftp://fr2.rpmfind.net/linux/****fedora/linux/development/**</a><<a href="ftp://fr2.rpmfind.net/linux/**fedora/linux/development/**" target="_blank">ftp://fr2.rpmfind.net/linux/**fedora/linux/development/**</a>><br>
> >>>>> ><br>
> >>>>> rawhide/source/SRPMS/s/system-******config-date-1.10.5-1.fc19.**<br>
> >>>>> **src.**rpm<<br>
> >>>>> <a href="ftp://fr2.rpmfind." target="_blank">ftp://fr2.rpmfind.</a>**net/linux/**fedora/linux/**development/**<br>
> >>>>> rawhide/source/<br>
> >>>>> **SRPMS/s/system-config-date-**1.**10.5-1.fc19.src.rpm<ftp://**<br>
> >>>>> <a href="http://fr2.rpmfind.net/linux/fedora/**linux/development/rawhide/**" target="_blank">fr2.rpmfind.net/linux/fedora/**linux/development/rawhide/**</a><br>
</div>> >>>>> source/SRPMS/s/system-config-**date-1.10.5-1.fc19.src.rpm<<a href="ftp://fr2.rpmfind.net/linux/fedora/linux/development/rawhide/source/SRPMS/s/system-config-date-1.10.5-1.fc19.src.rpm" target="_blank">ftp://fr2.rpmfind.net/linux/fedora/linux/development/rawhide/source/SRPMS/s/system-config-date-1.10.5-1.fc19.src.rpm</a>><br>
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