<div dir="ltr">ISO 639 and all the others you mentioned are not fully translated to Hebrew for example so I don't think it's a good reference.<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div dir="ltr"><span style="font-size:large"><font color="#990000">Yaron</font><font color="#330000"> Shahrabani</font></span><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 40px;border:none;padding:0px">
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<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 4:32 PM, <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:keld@keldix.com" target="_blank">keld@keldix.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div class="im">On Mon, Jan 28, <a href="tel:2013" value="+9722013">2013</a> at 01:34:10PM +0200, Yaron Shahrabani wrote:<br>
> I meant translation of these, not the names in English.<br>
<br>
</div>Translation into which languages? There are actually translation projects for all<br>
nations of the world into a specific language in the TP project at<br>
<a href="http://translationproject.org" target="_blank">http://translationproject.org</a><br>
They translate amongst others ISO 639, <a href="tel:3166" value="+9723166">3166</a>, <a href="tel:4217" value="+9724217">4217</a> and 15924.<br>
<br>
In glibc, translation of the country name and the language name into the native<br>
language are available in the glibc locale for that country and language.<br>
Are you saying thta this is also available in CLDR?<br>
<br>
Best regards<br>
keld<br>
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> Kind regards,<br>
> Yaron Shahrabani.<br>
><br>
> Yaron Shahrabani<br>
><br>
> <Hebrew translator><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> On Mon, Jan 28, <a href="tel:2013" value="+9722013">2013</a> at 1:14 PM, <<a href="mailto:keld@keldix.com">keld@keldix.com</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> > On Mon, Jan 28, <a href="tel:2013" value="+9722013">2013</a> at 10:37:22AM +0200, Yaron Shahrabani wrote:<br>
> > > Wasn't sure, thanks for the clarifications, apparently they are both<br>
> > > related to ICU, but CLDR has more terms (Time Zone names, Country names,<br>
> > > Languages names, etc.).<br>
> ><br>
> > Well glibc also have language names, time zone names, country names etc. I<br>
> > think ICU also can handle<br>
> > glibc data, but the glibc data are primarily made for the POSIX/C style<br>
> > way of doing internationalization,<br>
> > and has a lot of influence from the Linux world.<br>
> ><br>
> > Best regards<br>
> > Keld<br>
> ><br>
> > > Kind regards,<br>
> > ><br>
> > > Yaron Shahrabani<br>
> > ><br>
> > > <Hebrew translator><br>
> > ><br>
> > ><br>
> > ><br>
> > > On Thu, Jan 24, <a href="tel:2013" value="+9722013">2013</a> at 3:39 PM, <<a href="mailto:keld@keldix.com">keld@keldix.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> > ><br>
> > > > On Thu, Jan 24, <a href="tel:2013" value="+9722013">2013</a> at 01:59:03PM +0200, Yaron Shahrabani wrote:<br>
> > > > > On Thu, Jan 24, <a href="tel:2013" value="+9722013">2013</a> at 1:54 PM, <<a href="mailto:keld@keldix.com">keld@keldix.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> > > > ><br>
> > > > > > On Thu, Jan 24, <a href="tel:2013" value="+9722013">2013</a> at 11:12:10AM +0200, Yaron Shahrabani wrote:<br>
> > > > > > > On Thu, Jan 24, <a href="tel:2013" value="+9722013">2013</a> at 11:06 AM, Yuri Chornoivan <<br>
> > <a href="mailto:yurchor@ukr.net">yurchor@ukr.net</a>><br>
> > > > > > wrote:<br>
> > > > > > ><br>
> > > > > > > > Thu, 24 Jan <a href="tel:2013" value="+9722013">2013</a> 10:10:05 +0200 ???????? ????????????????<br>
> > Yaron<br>
> > > > > > Shahrabani <<br>
> > > > > > > > <a href="mailto:sh.yaron@gmail.com">sh.yaron@gmail.com</a>>:<br>
> > > > > > > ><br>
> > > > > > > ><br>
> > > > > > > > On Thu, Jan 24, <a href="tel:2013" value="+9722013">2013</a> at 10:06 AM, Yuri Chornoivan <<br>
> > > > <a href="mailto:yurchor@ukr.net">yurchor@ukr.net</a>><br>
> > > > > > > >> wrote:<br>
> > > > > > > >><br>
> > > > > > > >> Thu, 24 Jan 2013 09:49:18 +0200 ???????? ????????????????<br>
> > Yaron<br>
> > > > > > Shahrabani <<br>
> > > > > > > >>> <a href="mailto:sh.yaron@gmail.com">sh.yaron@gmail.com</a>>:<br>
> > > > > > > >>><br>
> > > > > > > >>><br>
> > > > > > > >>> Hi Yuri!<br>
> > > > > > > >>><br>
> > > > > > > >>>> Just to make sure, is this package using CLDR?<br>
> > > > > > > >>>><br>
> > > > > > > >>>> Yaron Shahrabani<br>
> > > > > > > >>>><br>
> > > > > > > >>>> <Hebrew translator><br>
> > > > > > > >>>><br>
> > > > > > > >>>><br>
> > > > > > > >>> Hi Yaron!<br>
> > > > > > > >>><br>
> > > > > > > >>> No. It is not. It is Fedora/Red Hat-only solution, not used<br>
> > in<br>
> > > > any<br>
> > > > > > other<br>
> > > > > > > >>> distributions (AFAIK).<br>
> > > > > > > >>><br>
> > > > > > > >>> Best regards,<br>
> > > > > > > >>> Yuri<br>
> > > > > > > >>><br>
> > > > > > > >>> Hi again!<br>
> > > > > > > >><br>
> > > > > > > >> CLDR has nothing to do with cross distro, it's a standard<br>
> > > > directory<br>
> > > > > > for<br>
> > > > > > > >> international definitions like the names of the day in each<br>
> > > > language<br>
> > > > > > or<br>
> > > > > > > >> the<br>
> > > > > > > >> name of the months, names of languages, countries etc.<br>
> > > > > > > >><br>
> > > > > > > >> This way you don't need to wait for the translators to do it,<br>
> > you<br>
> > > > just<br>
> > > > > > > >> copy<br>
> > > > > > > >> this definitions from there or use it via an external package<br>
> > > > > > providing<br>
> > > > > > > >> all<br>
> > > > > > > >> this info (I think it's called ICU).<br>
> > > > > > > >><br>
> > > > > > > >> Kind regards,<br>
> > > > > > > >> Yaron Shahrabani.<br>
> > > > > > > >><br>
> > > > > > > ><br>
> > > > > > > > No, system-config-date does not use CLDR and I am not a<br>
> > developer<br>
> > > > of<br>
> > > > > > > > system-config-date. Please report bugs if you want this<br>
> > feature.<br>
> > > > > > > ><br>
> > > > > > > I see, thanks for the clarification.<br>
> > > > > > ><br>
> > > > > > > ><br>
> > > > > > > > The crowd translations from CLDR are of very low quality<br>
> > (imho) and<br>
> > > > > > should<br>
> > > > > > > > be used with great care, at least for Ukrainian. The results of<br>
> > > > their<br>
> > > > > > > > application at transifex are not very promising. The general<br>
> > idea<br>
> > > > was<br>
> > > > > > good<br>
> > > > > > > > but the implementation is very inflexible and at least<br>
> > sometimes<br>
> > > > leads<br>
> > > > > > to<br>
> > > > > > > > mistakes.<br>
> > > > > > > ><br>
> > > > > > > Why don't you get involved in CLDR in order to fix that?<br>
> > > > > ><br>
> > > > > > I think we should rather use the glibc data that has good<br>
> > participation<br>
> > > > > > from Linux, and IMHO<br>
> > > > > > has better data quality for as number of locales, including<br>
> > Danish, my<br>
> > > > own<br>
> > > > > > language.<br>
> > > > > ><br>
> > > > > > best regards<br>
> > > > > > keld<br>
> > > > > ><br>
> > > > > Gettext does not include translation of terms, only the plural forms,<br>
> > > > these<br>
> > > > > are related though quite different :)<br>
> > > ><br>
> > > > I am not talking about gettext, but about glibc locale data.<br>
> > > ><br>
> > > > Are you aware that glibc includes locale data, such as day and month<br>
> > > > names, date formats<br>
> > > > and other stuff?<br>
> > > ><br>
> > > > Best regards<br>
> > > > Keld<br>
> > > ><br>
> > > > > ><br>
> > > > > > > ><br>
> > > > > > > > Broken dates in Ukrainian locale on Transifex due to mistakes<br>
> > in<br>
> > > > CLDR:<br>
> > > > > > > ><br>
> > > > > > > > <a href="http://dl.dropbox.com/u/**55247264/broken_dates.png" target="_blank">http://dl.dropbox.com/u/**55247264/broken_dates.png</a><<br>
> > > > > > <a href="http://dl.dropbox.com/u/55247264/broken_dates.png" target="_blank">http://dl.dropbox.com/u/55247264/broken_dates.png</a>><br>
> > > > > > ><br>
> > > > > > > Do you need my assistance in opening a bug in CLDR?<br>
> > > > > > ><br>
> > > > > > > Thanks for pointing that out, I had no idea, In Hebrew it works<br>
> > > > pretty<br>
> > > > > > well.<br>
> > > > > > ><br>
> > > > > > > ><br>
> > > > > > > ><br>
> > > > > > > > Best regards,<br>
> > > > > > > > Yuri<br>
> > > > > > > ><br>
> > > > > > > ><br>
> > > > > > > ><br>
> > > > > > > >>><br>
> > > > > > > >>><br>
> > > > > > > >>><br>
> > > > > > > >>>> On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 1:54 PM, Yuri Chornoivan <<br>
> > > > <a href="mailto:yurchor@ukr.net">yurchor@ukr.net</a>><br>
> > > > > > > >>>> wrote:<br>
> > > > > > > >>>><br>
> > > > > > > >>>> Hi,<br>
> > > > > > > >>>><br>
> > > > > > > >>>>><br>
> > > > > > > >>>>> You might already realized that system-config-date<br>
> > > > translations [1]<br>
> > > > > > > >>>>> were<br>
> > > > > > > >>>>> wiped due to minor mistake in template names (the original<br>
> > > > > > template was<br>
> > > > > > > >>>>> replaced by system-config-date interface template, then<br>
> > > > restored).<br>
> > > > > > > >>>>><br>
> > > > > > > >>>>> The maintainer answered to my request as follows:<br>
> > > > > > > >>>>><br>
> > > > > > > >>>>> "it seems that I've made a copy-paste error, I should have<br>
> > > > fixed<br>
> > > > > > this<br>
> > > > > > > >>>>> now."<br>
> > > > > > > >>>>><br>
> > > > > > > >>>>> Now the template is on its right place and the translations<br>
> > > > can be<br>
> > > > > > > >>>>> restored using POs from src RPM. Just extract it for your<br>
> > > > language<br>
> > > > > > then<br>
> > > > > > > >>>>> upload to Transifex [1].<br>
> > > > > > > >>>>><br>
> > > > > > > >>>>> Hope this helps.<br>
> > > > > > > >>>>><br>
> > > > > > > >>>>> Best regards,<br>
> > > > > > > >>>>> Yuri<br>
> > > > > > > >>>>><br>
> > > > > > > >>>>> [1]<br>
> > > > > > <a href="https://fedora.transifex.com/******projects/p/system-config-****" target="_blank">https://fedora.transifex.com/******projects/p/system-config-****</a><br>
> > > > > > > >>>>> date/**<<br>
> > > > > ><br>
> > <a href="https://fedora.transifex.com/****projects/p/system-config-**date/**" target="_blank">https://fedora.transifex.com/****projects/p/system-config-**date/**</a>><br>
> > > > > > > >>>>> <<a href="https://fedora." target="_blank">https://fedora.</a>**<br>
> > > > > > <a href="http://transifex.com/**projects/p/**system-config-date/**" target="_blank">transifex.com/**projects/p/**system-config-date/**</a><<br>
> > > > > > <a href="https://fedora.transifex.com/**projects/p/system-config-date/**" target="_blank">https://fedora.transifex.com/**projects/p/system-config-date/**</a>><br>
> > > > > > > >>>>> ><br>
> > > > > > > >>>>><br>
> > > > resource/timezones_master/<**htt**ps://fedora.transifex.**com/**<<br>
> > > > > > <a href="http://fedora.transifex.com/**" target="_blank">http://fedora.transifex.com/**</a>><br>
> > > > > > > >>>>><br>
> > > > projects/p/system-config-date/****resource/timezones_master/<h**<br>
> > > > > > > >>>>> ttps://<br>
> > <a href="http://fedora.transifex.com/**projects/p/system-config-date/**" target="_blank">fedora.transifex.com/**projects/p/system-config-date/**</a><br>
> > > > > > > >>>>> resource/timezones_master/<<br>
> > > > > ><br>
> > > ><br>
> > <a href="https://fedora.transifex.com/projects/p/system-config-date/resource/timezones_master/" target="_blank">https://fedora.transifex.com/projects/p/system-config-date/resource/timezones_master/</a><br>
> > > > > > ><br>
> > > > > > > >>>>> ><br>
> > > > > > > >>>>> ><br>
> > > > > > > >>>>><br>
> > > > > > > >>>>> [2]<br>
> > > > <a href="ftp://fr2.rpmfind.net/linux/******fedora/linux/development/**" target="_blank">ftp://fr2.rpmfind.net/linux/******fedora/linux/development/**</a><<br>
> > > > > > <a href="ftp://fr2.rpmfind.net/linux/****fedora/linux/development/**" target="_blank">ftp://fr2.rpmfind.net/linux/****fedora/linux/development/**</a>><br>
> > > > > > > >>>>> <**<br>
> > <a href="ftp://fr2.rpmfind.net/linux/****fedora/linux/development/**" target="_blank">ftp://fr2.rpmfind.net/linux/****fedora/linux/development/**</a><br>
> > > > <<br>
> > > > > > <a href="ftp://fr2.rpmfind.net/linux/**fedora/linux/development/**" target="_blank">ftp://fr2.rpmfind.net/linux/**fedora/linux/development/**</a>><br>
> > > > > > > >>>>> ><br>
> > > > > > > >>>>><br>
> > > > rawhide/source/SRPMS/s/system-******config-date-1.10.5-1.fc19.**<br>
> > > > > > > >>>>> **src.**rpm<<br>
> > > > > > > >>>>> <a href="ftp://fr2.rpmfind" target="_blank">ftp://fr2.rpmfind</a>.<br>
> > **net/linux/**fedora/linux/**development/**<br>
> > > > > > > >>>>> rawhide/source/<br>
> > > > > > > >>>>><br>
> > **SRPMS/s/system-config-date-**1.**10.5-1.fc19.src.rpm<ftp://<br>
> > > > **<br>
> > > > > > > >>>>><br>
> > <a href="http://fr2.rpmfind.net/linux/fedora/**linux/development/rawhide/**" target="_blank">fr2.rpmfind.net/linux/fedora/**linux/development/rawhide/**</a><br>
> > > > > > > >>>>> source/SRPMS/s/system-config-**date-1.10.5-1.fc19.src.rpm<<br>
> > > > > ><br>
> > > ><br>
> > <a href="ftp://fr2.rpmfind.net/linux/fedora/linux/development/rawhide/source/SRPMS/s/system-config-date-1.10.5-1.fc19.src.rpm" target="_blank">ftp://fr2.rpmfind.net/linux/fedora/linux/development/rawhide/source/SRPMS/s/system-config-date-1.10.5-1.fc19.src.rpm</a><br>
> > > > > > ><br>
> > > > > > > >>>>> ><br>
> > > > > > > >>>>><br>
> > > > > > > >>>>> ><br>
> > > > > > > >>>>><br>
> > > > > > > >>>>> --<br>
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