<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">Hi Jack, <br><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">No worries, I've indeed stopped people to translate the Install Guide on Transifex on trans-fr. I also need to compile all the .po and try to see if I can push them to Zanata (any API on Zanata?).<br>
<br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">In order to fix the process in the mean time, I will organize a regular news/FAQ/roadmap mail on the trans-fr list.<br><br>
</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">Maybe we can plan to do so on the trans list as well, informing which new guides are coming (Defensive coding which appeared a bit out of the blue), which have been replaced (Deployment -> SAG/Storage), etc.<br>
<br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">That would also be interesting in the light of F19 coming, for instance with pointers to the F19 schedule, with reminders of the work that will be coming (release notes, mandatory docs, etc.).<br>
<br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">Regards,<br><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">J.</div></div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2013/5/1 Jack Reed <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jreed@redhat.com" target="_blank">jreed@redhat.com</a>></span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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Hi Jérôme, and other translators who have worked on the Installation
Guide lately,<br>
<br>
I was shocked to discover that there were so many files still
accepting translation, because Alick Zhao and I blocked all the
files in this project many months ago.<br>
<br>
But I've discovered the cause. 2 months ago, in an attempt to
further troubleshoot the problems we had with the project on
Transifex, a couple of us did test pushes to try and get all the
files on to Transifex's servers. Previously - including at the point
when Alick and I blocked the files - the project contained less than
half of the files it was supposed to, which was one of the reasons
we moved the project to Zanata.<br>
<br>
In working through that bug on github, the issue was resolved and we
pushed all the files. However, because all work had moved to Zanata,
I failed to consider that these newly added files needed to be
blocked too.<br>
<br>
Although the Docs Project Guide Table [1] directs translators to
Zanata for work on both installation guides, obviously experienced
Fedora translators are going to check Transifex first. So when you
found files that could be translated, you understandably proceeded.
This is a consequence of, as you say, there not being a way to
inform all translators, without fail, of such changes, or because I
was not aware of how to do so.<br>
<br>
Because we want to leave the Transifex project open in the event
that it is viable to return translation of the Installation Guide
there, I will manually block the new files from accepting
translations. However, if Dimitris or someone else knows a way to
block access to the project entirely without deleting it, that would
be the most future-proof method.<br>
<br>
I would also appreciate any suggestions of where else the move to
Zanata should be publicised to help avoid confusion in future.<br>
<br>
I apologise to the translators who have worked on this project in
Transifex since these new files were added. I had to push F17 files
for testing purposes, so I'm sorry to say that your work will need
to be redone in Zanata. I regret that the difficulties we have had
managing this large guide have caused further problems. There have
been a lot of plates to keep spinning.<br>
<br>
Please let me know if you have any further questions or concerns.<br>
<br>
Thanks,<br>
<br>
Jack<br>
<br>
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[1] <a href="https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_guides_table" target="_blank">https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_guides_table</a><div><div class="h5"><br>
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<div>On 04/30/2013 05:36 PM, Jérôme Fenal
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">Hi
Jack,<br>
<br>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">Thanks
for the pointers and the explanation.<br>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">Do
you know why the Install Guide has not been cleared from
Transifex after a backup?<br>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">
People are still translating the non disabled part of it, and
having it rot having translated & disabled is not
satisfying either.<br>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">
Do I need to file a BZ to get it removed entirely from
Transifex?<br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">
As people come and go on a regular basis, could we also think
of having a regular newsletter which would remind to everybody
such moves?<br>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">
<br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">Regards,<br>
<br>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">J.<br>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">2013/4/30 Jack Reed <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jreed@redhat.com" target="_blank">jreed@redhat.com</a>></span><br>
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<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"> Hi Jérôme,<br>
<br>
Great to hear that your team has targeted the Installation
Guide in this way.<br>
<br>
The Installation Guide is actually translated on Zanata
now, which is why you've encountered these issues in the
Transifex project.<br>
<br>
I've also consolidated the Installation Quick Start Guide
into the Installation Guide repo, so there are a list of
files that would ideally be translated first so that the
Quick Start Guide can be ready sooner.<br>
<br>
An explanation of this: <a href="http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/trans/2013-February/010551.html" target="_blank">http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/trans/2013-February/010551.html</a><br>
<br>
And an explanation of the move to Zanata: <a href="http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/docs/2012-July/014465.html" target="_blank">http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/docs/2012-July/014465.html</a><br>
<br>
And the project itself:
<a href="https://translate.zanata.org/zanata/project/view/fedora-installation-guide" target="_blank">https://translate.zanata.org/zanata/project/view/fedora-installation-guide</a><br>
<br>
Let me know if you have any more questions.<br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
<br>
Jack
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<div>On 04/26/2013 06:19 AM, Jérôme Fenal wrote:<br>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">Hi
there,<br>
<br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">
The French team is considering making a
special effort to advance French translation
of the Fedora Installation Guide.<br>
<br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">We
however have a number of issues which do not
ease its translation :<br>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">
- 877 different resources visible in
Transifex, of which<br>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">
- a lot are read-only and not accepting
translations,<br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">
- a lot are one-liners, or to be correct, one
stringers.<br>
<br>
</div>
Could we please have a status about this guide
(are there parts not to translate), and can we
expect a cleanup of its setup in Transifex
(major sections only, not more one-stringers)?<br>
<br>
Regards,</div>
<br>
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