<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">Hi Jack, <br><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">No worries, I&#39;ve indeed stopped people to translate the Install Guide on Transifex on trans-fr. I also need to compile all the .po and try to see if I can push them to Zanata (any API on Zanata?).<br>
<br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">In order to fix the process in the mean time, I will organize a regular news/FAQ/roadmap mail on the trans-fr list.<br><br>
</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">Maybe we can plan to do so on the trans list as well, informing which new guides are coming (Defensive coding which appeared a bit out of the blue), which have been replaced (Deployment -&gt; SAG/Storage), etc.<br>
<br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">That would also be interesting in the light of F19 coming, for instance with pointers to the F19 schedule, with reminders of the work that will be coming (release notes, mandatory docs, etc.).<br>
<br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">Regards,<br><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">J.</div></div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2013/5/1 Jack Reed <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:jreed@redhat.com" target="_blank">jreed@redhat.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">

  
    
  
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    Hi Jérôme, and other translators who have worked on the Installation
    Guide lately,<br>
    <br>
    I was shocked to discover that there were so many files still
    accepting translation, because Alick Zhao and I blocked all the
    files in this project many months ago.<br>
    <br>
    But I&#39;ve discovered the cause. 2 months ago, in an attempt to
    further troubleshoot the problems we had with the project on
    Transifex, a couple of us did test pushes to try and get all the
    files on to Transifex&#39;s servers. Previously - including at the point
    when Alick and I blocked the files - the project contained less than
    half of the files it was supposed to, which was one of the reasons
    we moved the project to Zanata.<br>
    <br>
    In working through that bug on github, the issue was resolved and we
    pushed all the files. However, because all work had moved to Zanata,
    I failed to consider that these newly added files needed to be
    blocked too.<br>
    <br>
    Although the Docs Project Guide Table [1] directs translators to
    Zanata for work on both installation guides, obviously experienced
    Fedora translators are going to check Transifex first. So when you
    found files that could be translated, you understandably proceeded.
    This is a consequence of, as you say, there not being a way to
    inform all translators, without fail, of such changes, or because I
    was not aware of how to do so.<br>
    <br>
    Because we want to leave the Transifex project open in the event
    that it is viable to return translation of the Installation Guide
    there, I will manually block the new files from accepting
    translations. However, if Dimitris or someone else knows a way to
    block access to the project entirely without deleting it, that would
    be the most future-proof method.<br>
    <br>
    I would also appreciate any suggestions of where else the move to
    Zanata should be publicised to help avoid confusion in future.<br>
    <br>
    I apologise to the translators who have worked on this project in
    Transifex since these new files were added. I had to push F17 files
    for testing purposes, so I&#39;m sorry to say that your work will need
    to be redone in Zanata. I regret that the difficulties we have had
    managing this large guide have caused further problems. There have
    been a lot of plates to keep spinning.<br>
    <br>
    Please let me know if you have any further questions or concerns.<br>
    <br>
    Thanks,<br>
    <br>
    Jack<br>
    <br>
    <br>
    [1] <a href="https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_guides_table" target="_blank">https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_guides_table</a><div><div class="h5"><br>
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    <br>
    <div>On 04/30/2013 05:36 PM, Jérôme Fenal
      wrote:<br>
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        <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">Hi
          Jack,<br>
          <br>
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        <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">Thanks
          for the pointers and the explanation.<br>
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        <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">Do
          you know why the Install Guide has not been cleared from
          Transifex after a backup?<br>
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        <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">
          People are still translating the non disabled part of it, and
          having it rot having translated &amp; disabled is not
          satisfying either.<br>
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        <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">
          Do I need to file a BZ to get it removed entirely from
          Transifex?<br>
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        <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br>
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        <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">
          As people come and go on a regular basis, could we also think
          of having a regular newsletter which would remind to everybody
          such moves?<br>
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          <br>
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        <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">Regards,<br>
          <br>
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        <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">J.<br>
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        <div class="gmail_quote">2013/4/30 Jack Reed <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:jreed@redhat.com" target="_blank">jreed@redhat.com</a>&gt;</span><br>
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            <div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"> Hi Jérôme,<br>
              <br>
              Great to hear that your team has targeted the Installation
              Guide in this way.<br>
              <br>
              The Installation Guide is actually translated on Zanata
              now, which is why you&#39;ve encountered these issues in the
              Transifex project.<br>
              <br>
              I&#39;ve also consolidated the Installation Quick Start Guide
              into the Installation Guide repo, so there are a list of
              files that would ideally be translated first so that the
              Quick Start Guide can be ready sooner.<br>
              <br>
              An explanation of this: <a href="http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/trans/2013-February/010551.html" target="_blank">http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/trans/2013-February/010551.html</a><br>
              <br>
              And an explanation of the move to Zanata: <a href="http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/docs/2012-July/014465.html" target="_blank">http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/docs/2012-July/014465.html</a><br>

              <br>
              And the project itself:
              <a href="https://translate.zanata.org/zanata/project/view/fedora-installation-guide" target="_blank">https://translate.zanata.org/zanata/project/view/fedora-installation-guide</a><br>
              <br>
              Let me know if you have any more questions.<br>
              <br>
              Cheers,<br>
              <br>
              Jack
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                  <div>On 04/26/2013 06:19 AM, Jérôme Fenal wrote:<br>
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                        <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">Hi

                          there,<br>
                          <br>
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                        <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">
                          The French team is considering making a
                          special effort to advance French translation
                          of the Fedora Installation Guide.<br>
                          <br>
                        </div>
                        <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">We

                          however have a number of issues which do not
                          ease its translation :<br>
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                        <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">
                          - 877 different resources visible in
                          Transifex, of which<br>
                        </div>
                        <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small"> 
                          - a lot are read-only and not accepting
                          translations,<br>
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                        <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small"> 
                          - a lot are one-liners, or to be correct, one
                          stringers.<br>
                          <br>
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                        Could we please have a status about this guide
                        (are there parts not to translate), and can we
                        expect a cleanup of its setup in Transifex
                        (major sections only, not more one-stringers)?<br>
                        <br>
                        Regards,</div>
                      <br>
                      -- <br>
                      Jérôme Fenal<br>
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