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Thanks for passing this on to the French team, Jérôme.<br>
<br>
Unfortunately though, as I said, the pot files that were uploaded
two months ago during the test were for f17, not f18, which I've
confirmed by looking at certain strings. I understand that this
means labour has been wasted, and I apologise for the oversight.<br>
<br>
Not all pot files were updated for f18, of course, but I'm not aware
of a way to distinguish them and then push the po files that are
still current into Zanata. If anyone has an idea about this, which
would enable us to re-use some of the stranded translations, please
let us know.<br>
<br>
I agree that more consistent notifications for trans-list would be
valuable. I don't have enough knowledge of existing trans-list
practices to know where improvements can be made, but I'll help any
way I can. I've CC'd Pete Travis, the Fedora docs lead, so he can
mull this over too.<br>
<br>
Thanks,<br>
<br>
Jack<br>
<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 05/02/2013 06:10 PM, Jérôme Fenal
wrote:<br>
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<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">Hi
Jack, <br>
<br>
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<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">No
worries, I've indeed stopped people to translate the Install
Guide on Transifex on trans-fr. I also need to compile all the
.po and try to see if I can push them to Zanata (any API on
Zanata?).<br>
<br>
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<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">In
order to fix the process in the mean time, I will organize a
regular news/FAQ/roadmap mail on the trans-fr list.<br>
<br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">Maybe
we can plan to do so on the trans list as well, informing
which new guides are coming (Defensive coding which appeared a
bit out of the blue), which have been replaced (Deployment
-> SAG/Storage), etc.<br>
<br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">That
would also be interesting in the light of F19 coming, for
instance with pointers to the F19 schedule, with reminders of
the work that will be coming (release notes, mandatory docs,
etc.).<br>
<br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">Regards,<br>
<br>
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<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">J.</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">2013/5/1 Jack Reed <span dir="ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:jreed@redhat.com"
target="_blank">jreed@redhat.com</a>></span><br>
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<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"> Hi Jérôme, and other
translators who have worked on the Installation Guide
lately,<br>
<br>
I was shocked to discover that there were so many files
still accepting translation, because Alick Zhao and I
blocked all the files in this project many months ago.<br>
<br>
But I've discovered the cause. 2 months ago, in an attempt
to further troubleshoot the problems we had with the
project on Transifex, a couple of us did test pushes to
try and get all the files on to Transifex's servers.
Previously - including at the point when Alick and I
blocked the files - the project contained less than half
of the files it was supposed to, which was one of the
reasons we moved the project to Zanata.<br>
<br>
In working through that bug on github, the issue was
resolved and we pushed all the files. However, because all
work had moved to Zanata, I failed to consider that these
newly added files needed to be blocked too.<br>
<br>
Although the Docs Project Guide Table [1] directs
translators to Zanata for work on both installation
guides, obviously experienced Fedora translators are going
to check Transifex first. So when you found files that
could be translated, you understandably proceeded. This is
a consequence of, as you say, there not being a way to
inform all translators, without fail, of such changes, or
because I was not aware of how to do so.<br>
<br>
Because we want to leave the Transifex project open in the
event that it is viable to return translation of the
Installation Guide there, I will manually block the new
files from accepting translations. However, if Dimitris or
someone else knows a way to block access to the project
entirely without deleting it, that would be the most
future-proof method.<br>
<br>
I would also appreciate any suggestions of where else the
move to Zanata should be publicised to help avoid
confusion in future.<br>
<br>
I apologise to the translators who have worked on this
project in Transifex since these new files were added. I
had to push F17 files for testing purposes, so I'm sorry
to say that your work will need to be redone in Zanata. I
regret that the difficulties we have had managing this
large guide have caused further problems. There have been
a lot of plates to keep spinning.<br>
<br>
Please let me know if you have any further questions or
concerns.<br>
<br>
Thanks,<br>
<br>
Jack<br>
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<div>On 04/30/2013 05:36 PM, Jérôme Fenal wrote:<br>
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<div class="gmail_default"
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Jack,<br>
<br>
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<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">Thanks
for the pointers and the explanation.<br>
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<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">Do
you know why the Install Guide has not been
cleared from Transifex after a backup?<br>
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style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">
People are still translating the non disabled
part of it, and having it rot having translated
& disabled is not satisfying either.<br>
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style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">
Do I need to file a BZ to get it removed
entirely from Transifex?<br>
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<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br>
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<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">
As people come and go on a regular basis, could
we also think of having a regular newsletter
which would remind to everybody such moves?<br>
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style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">
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<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">Regards,<br>
<br>
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<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">J.<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">2013/4/30 Jack Reed <span
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target="_blank">jreed@redhat.com</a>></span><br>
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<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"> Hi
Jérôme,<br>
<br>
Great to hear that your team has targeted
the Installation Guide in this way.<br>
<br>
The Installation Guide is actually
translated on Zanata now, which is why
you've encountered these issues in the
Transifex project.<br>
<br>
I've also consolidated the Installation
Quick Start Guide into the Installation
Guide repo, so there are a list of files
that would ideally be translated first so
that the Quick Start Guide can be ready
sooner.<br>
<br>
An explanation of this: <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/trans/2013-February/010551.html"
target="_blank">http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/trans/2013-February/010551.html</a><br>
<br>
And an explanation of the move to Zanata: <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/docs/2012-July/014465.html"
target="_blank">http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/docs/2012-July/014465.html</a><br>
<br>
And the project itself: <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://translate.zanata.org/zanata/project/view/fedora-installation-guide"
target="_blank">https://translate.zanata.org/zanata/project/view/fedora-installation-guide</a><br>
<br>
Let me know if you have any more questions.<br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
<br>
Jack
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<div>On 04/26/2013 06:19 AM, Jérôme
Fenal wrote:<br>
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<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">Hi
there,<br>
<br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">
The French team is considering
making a special effort to
advance French translation of
the Fedora Installation Guide.<br>
<br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">We
however have a number of issues
which do not ease its
translation :<br>
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<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">
- 877 different resources
visible in Transifex, of which<br>
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<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">
- a lot are read-only and not
accepting translations,<br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">
- a lot are one-liners, or to be
correct, one stringers.<br>
<br>
</div>
Could we please have a status
about this guide (are there parts
not to translate), and can we
expect a cleanup of its setup in
Transifex (major sections only,
not more one-stringers)?<br>
<br>
Regards,</div>
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