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    Thanks for passing this on to the French team, Jérôme.<br>
    <br>
    Unfortunately though, as I said, the pot files that were uploaded
    two months ago during the test were for f17, not f18, which I've
    confirmed by looking at certain strings. I understand that this
    means labour has been wasted, and I apologise for the oversight.<br>
    <br>
    Not all pot files were updated for f18, of course, but I'm not aware
    of a way to distinguish them and then push the po files that are
    still current into Zanata. If anyone has an idea about this, which
    would enable us to re-use some of the stranded translations, please
    let us know.<br>
    <br>
    I agree that more consistent notifications for trans-list would be
    valuable. I don't have enough knowledge of existing trans-list
    practices to know where improvements can be made, but I'll help any
    way I can. I've CC'd Pete Travis, the Fedora docs lead, so he can
    mull this over too.<br>
    <br>
    Thanks,<br>
    <br>
    Jack<br>
    <br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 05/02/2013 06:10 PM, Jérôme Fenal
      wrote:<br>
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cite="mid:CABHQyQR+5T-4zuHyAfcPFFi1bcD3w8aitGLPkK==8TetANc1EA@mail.gmail.com"
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        <div class="gmail_default"
          style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">Hi
          Jack, <br>
          <br>
        </div>
        <div class="gmail_default"
          style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">No
          worries, I've indeed stopped people to translate the Install
          Guide on Transifex on trans-fr. I also need to compile all the
          .po and try to see if I can push them to Zanata (any API on
          Zanata?).<br>
          <br>
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          style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">In
          order to fix the process in the mean time, I will organize a
          regular news/FAQ/roadmap mail on the trans-fr list.<br>
          <br>
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        <div class="gmail_default"
          style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">Maybe
          we can plan to do so on the trans list as well, informing
          which new guides are coming (Defensive coding which appeared a
          bit out of the blue), which have been replaced (Deployment
          -&gt; SAG/Storage), etc.<br>
          <br>
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        <div class="gmail_default"
          style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">That
          would also be interesting in the light of F19 coming, for
          instance with pointers to the F19 schedule, with reminders of
          the work that will be coming (release notes, mandatory docs,
          etc.).<br>
          <br>
        </div>
        <div class="gmail_default"
          style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">Regards,<br>
          <br>
        </div>
        <div class="gmail_default"
          style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">J.</div>
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      <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
        <br>
        <div class="gmail_quote">2013/5/1 Jack Reed <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a
              moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:jreed@redhat.com"
              target="_blank">jreed@redhat.com</a>&gt;</span><br>
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            <div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"> Hi Jérôme, and other
              translators who have worked on the Installation Guide
              lately,<br>
              <br>
              I was shocked to discover that there were so many files
              still accepting translation, because Alick Zhao and I
              blocked all the files in this project many months ago.<br>
              <br>
              But I've discovered the cause. 2 months ago, in an attempt
              to further troubleshoot the problems we had with the
              project on Transifex, a couple of us did test pushes to
              try and get all the files on to Transifex's servers.
              Previously - including at the point when Alick and I
              blocked the files - the project contained less than half
              of the files it was supposed to, which was one of the
              reasons we moved the project to Zanata.<br>
              <br>
              In working through that bug on github, the issue was
              resolved and we pushed all the files. However, because all
              work had moved to Zanata, I failed to consider that these
              newly added files needed to be blocked too.<br>
              <br>
              Although the Docs Project Guide Table [1] directs
              translators to Zanata for work on both installation
              guides, obviously experienced Fedora translators are going
              to check Transifex first. So when you found files that
              could be translated, you understandably proceeded. This is
              a consequence of, as you say, there not being a way to
              inform all translators, without fail, of such changes, or
              because I was not aware of how to do so.<br>
              <br>
              Because we want to leave the Transifex project open in the
              event that it is viable to return translation of the
              Installation Guide there, I will manually block the new
              files from accepting translations. However, if Dimitris or
              someone else knows a way to block access to the project
              entirely without deleting it, that would be the most
              future-proof method.<br>
              <br>
              I would also appreciate any suggestions of where else the
              move to Zanata should be publicised to help avoid
              confusion in future.<br>
              <br>
              I apologise to the translators who have worked on this
              project in Transifex since these new files were added. I
              had to push F17 files for testing purposes, so I'm sorry
              to say that your work will need to be redone in Zanata. I
              regret that the difficulties we have had managing this
              large guide have caused further problems. There have been
              a lot of plates to keep spinning.<br>
              <br>
              Please let me know if you have any further questions or
              concerns.<br>
              <br>
              Thanks,<br>
              <br>
              Jack<br>
              <br>
              <br>
              [1] <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                href="https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_guides_table"
                target="_blank">https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_guides_table</a>
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                  <br>
                  <div>On 04/30/2013 05:36 PM, Jérôme Fenal wrote:<br>
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                        style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">Hi

                        Jack,<br>
                        <br>
                      </div>
                      <div class="gmail_default"
                        style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">Thanks

                        for the pointers and the explanation.<br>
                      </div>
                      <div class="gmail_default"
                        style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">Do

                        you know why the Install Guide has not been
                        cleared from Transifex after a backup?<br>
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                      <div class="gmail_default"
                        style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">
                        People are still translating the non disabled
                        part of it, and having it rot having translated
                        &amp; disabled is not satisfying either.<br>
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                        style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">
                        Do I need to file a BZ to get it removed
                        entirely from Transifex?<br>
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                        style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">
                        As people come and go on a regular basis, could
                        we also think of having a regular newsletter
                        which would remind to everybody such moves?<br>
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                        style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">
                        <br>
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                      <div class="gmail_default"
                        style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">Regards,<br>
                        <br>
                      </div>
                      <div class="gmail_default"
                        style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">J.<br>
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                      <div class="gmail_quote">2013/4/30 Jack Reed <span
                          dir="ltr">&lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                            href="mailto:jreed@redhat.com"
                            target="_blank">jreed@redhat.com</a>&gt;</span><br>
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                          <div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"> Hi
                            Jérôme,<br>
                            <br>
                            Great to hear that your team has targeted
                            the Installation Guide in this way.<br>
                            <br>
                            The Installation Guide is actually
                            translated on Zanata now, which is why
                            you've encountered these issues in the
                            Transifex project.<br>
                            <br>
                            I've also consolidated the Installation
                            Quick Start Guide into the Installation
                            Guide repo, so there are a list of files
                            that would ideally be translated first so
                            that the Quick Start Guide can be ready
                            sooner.<br>
                            <br>
                            An explanation of this: <a
                              moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/trans/2013-February/010551.html"
                              target="_blank">http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/trans/2013-February/010551.html</a><br>
                            <br>
                            And an explanation of the move to Zanata: <a
                              moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/docs/2012-July/014465.html"
                              target="_blank">http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/docs/2012-July/014465.html</a><br>
                            <br>
                            And the project itself: <a
                              moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://translate.zanata.org/zanata/project/view/fedora-installation-guide"
                              target="_blank">https://translate.zanata.org/zanata/project/view/fedora-installation-guide</a><br>
                            <br>
                            Let me know if you have any more questions.<br>
                            <br>
                            Cheers,<br>
                            <br>
                            Jack
                            <div>
                              <div><br>
                                <br>
                                <br>
                                <div>On 04/26/2013 06:19 AM, Jérôme
                                  Fenal wrote:<br>
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                                        style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">Hi


                                        there,<br>
                                        <br>
                                      </div>
                                      <div class="gmail_default"
                                        style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">
                                        The French team is considering
                                        making a special effort to
                                        advance French translation of
                                        the Fedora Installation Guide.<br>
                                        <br>
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                                      <div class="gmail_default"
                                        style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">We


                                        however have a number of issues
                                        which do not ease its
                                        translation :<br>
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                                      <div class="gmail_default"
                                        style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">
                                        - 877 different resources
                                        visible in Transifex, of which<br>
                                      </div>
                                      <div class="gmail_default"
                                        style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small"> 
                                        - a lot are read-only and not
                                        accepting translations,<br>
                                      </div>
                                      <div class="gmail_default"
                                        style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small"> 
                                        - a lot are one-liners, or to be
                                        correct, one stringers.<br>
                                        <br>
                                      </div>
                                      Could we please have a status
                                      about this guide (are there parts
                                      not to translate), and can we
                                      expect a cleanup of its setup in
                                      Transifex (major sections only,
                                      not more one-stringers)?<br>
                                      <br>
                                      Regards,</div>
                                    <br>
                                    -- <br>
                                    Jérôme Fenal<br>
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Engineering Content Services

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Brisbane, Australia
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