F15 preupgrade: lots of uneraseable dupes

[Craig White]

On Mon, 2011-10-10 at 11:43 -0700, JD wrote:
> On 10/10/2011 11:16 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> > On 10/10/2011 11:36 PM, JD wrote:
> >
> >> But that argues against your own argument that
> >> a script will contain bugs. Of course it will - every
> >> software ever written had them, and will have them.
> > yes.  so why is replacing one program with bugs with another script with
> > bugs considered a solution?  It isn't
> Preupgrade is not a single operation solution. The
> user is expected to know several complex operations
> and execute them in right order.
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perhaps if you actually ran 'preupgrade' you would discover that you
don't have the slightest clue what you are talking about.
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> A yum upgrade script would be a single point solution
> that a user could run. If problems, then user could report
> the results, along with a log file that a script could leave
> behind. That is a very desirable solution for all non-techies
> and newbs.
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again... not a clue what you are talking about.
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> >> Also, you yourself said that upgrading via yum is
> >> a very complex process:
> >>   >  Upgrading a distribution is a fairly complex process to say the least.
> >>
> >> So, by virtue of that statement itself, non-techies and
> >> newbs most certainly need such an expertly written script(s).
> > Scripts are not going to magically make things easier.  Scripting is far
> > more likely to be fragile as well.  I didn't say yum upgrades are
> > complex.  I said upgrades are complex.
> That is a very interesting opinion which ignores the fact
> that scripts are easier to fix than binaries.
> With so many scripts which are running the system,
> then by your argument they should all be abandoned
> because you opine that they are fragile and thus unreliable
> and thus the whole system is unreliable.
> Fear of possible bugs is no reason for rejecting a much needed
> solution.
> 
> It seems to me that so many people invest so much steam
> into their opinion, that they find it hard to back off and admit
> that a proposed request for a solution is worth pursuing and
> implementing by the experts in the field for the benefit of all.
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If you actually think you know what you are talking about and have any
skill whatsoever, then by all means, have at it.

I suppose it doesn't occur to you that your contention is entirely
without knowledge or merit.

Craig



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