F20 - Unintended consequences of no default MTA - How best to fix

Sat Jan 4 13:35:41 UTC 2014

On 01/04/2014 02:54 AM, Chris Murphy wrote:
> Maybe. But at least as often or more, it's just becoming decrepit. It refuses to learn new tricks. It doesn't want to learn to write to a journal or use SNMP or Gnome desktop notification services, or anything other than emails that 9 out of 10 people are not aware of exist or read or care to be notified in that fashion.

Then please tell us how this functionality should be moved to Gnome 
desktop notification, SNMP, etc. (you stated earlier that SNMP started 
in 1988, that's 26 years ago, isn't that archaic, old, decript, etc. 
also?), and at the same time retain the information that this 
functionality provides today. Please let us know how to do that.

> Look the post office is shrinking because it has a product that has far far fewer use cases than before. Should it die totally? I don't know, probably not. But does it need to contract? Clearly yes. Email is a big reason why. And now there are many other ways to communicate, and abuses of email, that makes it time for email to be supplanted. Maybe not go away entirely, but for particular use cases. And this is not one of them.

There are more parcels sent around than ever, due to ebay and similar 
sites where people sell stuff. Does not the US postal service also send 
parcels?

What should we use instead of email?

>> We do have applications in Fedora that do send mail. If you are not interested in those mails, well fine, ignore them, and do something else instead, the message will still be created.
>
> Fortunately, it's not created anymore.

Which removes existing functionality leading to lost information, which 
is a bad thing, and the reason for this little debate.

> Imagine GIMP having some error and instead of a dialog, it sent an email! Ha! Talk about ridiculous. So yes, this really is about email. If my refrigerator emailed me the door was left open, I'd burn the refrigerator to the ground in public and post a video.

GIMP is a user level program with a GUI. What we are talking about are 
mostly system daemons. An entirely different creature.

Lars
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