F20 - Unintended consequences of no default MTA - How best to fix

[Chris Murphy]

On Jan 4, 2014, at 6:12 PM, Marko Vojinovic <vvmarko at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sat, 4 Jan 2014 13:45:34 -0700
> Chris Murphy <lists at colorremedies.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Restricting the context to just Fedora, by default it is a desktop OS
>> with a GUI. That's the default install from live desktop, DVD ISO,
>> and netinst media. That is the primary Fedora deliverable and
>> experience.
> 
> By that logic, you could argue that Fedora should not have sshd
> installed by default. A typical desktop OS with a GUI is  typically
> never being accessed remotely, for the vast 99% majority of cases.

Out of scope, the context is notifications. Given how people work, the MTA by default method of notification doesn't help uses unless they know where to look and how to configure it for non-local usage.

> And yet somehow I doubt that anyone will dare to remove sshd from the
> default install.

I suspect it's used a ton more than an MTA. I enable sshd on all of my Macs and Fedora installs as one of the first things done. MTA? Never. Not configured even one time in 24 years.

> But since we are bashing around about unnecessary default services, one
> set of services that I would actually like to see removed is the NFS
> stack (nfs, nfslock, portmap, ...). Arguably, a typical desktop OS with
> a GUI has absolutely no need of networked file systems, especially as
> obsolete as NFS. I've used Fedora for as long as it exists, and I've
> never seen anyone actually use NFS in real life scenarios on a typical
> desktop machine with a GUI. That's also got to be in the 99% of cases…


NFSv4.1 is a two year old spec? It's quite current. Getting rid of all the NFSv3 junk by default I think is valid. For video editing it's actually rather common on OS X because apparently applications don't disqualify NFS as a share for live editing, whereas AFP and SMB shares typically are disqualified for some reason. Plus async, it has much better performance than either AFP or SMB. It's the only file sharing I do between Fedora and OS X. Now that Apple is deprecating AFP in favor of SMB2, I'm uninterested in Netatalk. And their SMB2 implementation is still immature and buggy, while samba has something like 400 page quick start guide and a 9000 page user manual it's so complicated. (I'm exaggerating by a lot, but it seems an order of magnitude or more complicated than NFS to configure.)


Chris Murphy