On 12/18/05, <b class="gmail_sendername">Charles Howse</b> <<a href="mailto:chowse@charter.net">chowse@charter.net</a>> wrote:<div><span class="gmail_quote"></span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
> On Sun, 2005-12-18 at 17:38 +0000, D. D. Brierton wrote:<br>>> I see that KDE 3.5.0 for FC4 was released on updates-released. That's<br>>> very nice for the KDE users, but I was slightly surprised by it. The
<br>>> reason I am surprised by it is that no such updates are ever released<br>>> for GNOME, which is the default desktop on FC.<br>>><br>>> Now I can understand that making FC4 packages of GNOME
2.12.0 is just<br>>> too big a job (it would require upgrading a lot of system level packages<br>>> such as HAL, etc.), although similar considerations would, I'd have<br>>> thought, apply to upgrading from KDE
3.4 to 3.5.<br>>><br>>> But we don't even get the bug-fix/maintenance releases either. I have a<br>>> fully updated FC4 box and it has GNOME 2.10.0. A quick look here:<br>>><br>>> <a href="http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/platform/2.10/">
http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/platform/2.10/</a><br>>><br>>> shows that 2.10.1 was released in April 2005 and 2.10.2 was released in<br>>> July 2005.<br>>><br>>> So I really would like to know, how come Red Hat developers have time to
<br>>> ship a major update to KDE but not even maintenance releases for GNOME?<br>>><br>>> Best, Darren<br>><br>><br>> Far from it.<br>> As someone that just finished building KDE 3.5 RPMs for x86_64 (based on
<br>> KDE-RedHat's SRPMs) I can fully appreciate the amount of work required<br>> to get KDE 3.5 built.<br>> KDE is self-sufficient. You just need to build 14 base packages (+<br>> language packs) that don't really depend on anything outside KDE.
<br>> Build at -> arts -> kdelibs -> kdebase -> kde* -> language -> install.<br>><br>> GNOME on the other hand, is a huge mess to upgrade, even when using<br>> garnom.<br>> Last time I counted, GNOME had around of 120 (!!!) packages, with weird
<br>> cross-dependencies between them. It's far from being the same task.<br>> (Last time I tried using it, back in FC2 days, I ended up with a dead<br>> system on my hands.)<br>><br>> Just compare KDE source packages:
<br>> <a href="ftp://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/stable/3.5/src/">ftp://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/stable/3.5/src/</a><br>> To GNOME packages:<br>> <a href="ftp://ftp.gnome.org/Public/gnome/sources">ftp://ftp.gnome.org/Public/gnome/sources
</a><br>><br>> BTW, Slackware recently (10.2) dropped GNOME citing too-complex building<br>> requirements as a reason.<br><br>And Linus Torvalds was recently quoted as encouraging users to switch to<br>KDE.<br><a href="http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=12956">
http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=12956</a><br><br></blockquote></div><br>... Which has nothing to do with building GNOME 2.10.x for FC4. <br>Please don't turn this thread into a KDE vs. GNOME thread.<br><br>Gilboa<br>