<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Nov 19, 2007 5:19 PM, Craig White <<a href="mailto:craig@tobyhouse.com">craig@tobyhouse.com</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<div><div></div><div class="Wj3C7c">On Mon, 2007-11-19 at 15:10 -0700, Karl Larsen wrote:<br>> Alastair Neil wrote:<br>> > On Nov 14, 2007 12:14 PM, Alastair Neil <<a href="mailto:ajneil@gmail.com">ajneil@gmail.com
</a>> wrote:<br>> ><br>> ><br>> >> On Nov 13, 2007 6:38 PM, Craig White <<a href="mailto:craig@tobyhouse.com">craig@tobyhouse.com</a>> wrote:<br>> >><br>> >><br>> >>> On Tue, 2007-11-13 at 17:40 -0500, Alastair Neil wrote:
<br>> >>><br>> >>>> I have a Dell Optiplex 320 with a Pentium dual Dual Core CPU ( 2160).<br>> >>>> I am trying to boot off of a usb thumb drive with the disk images from<br>> >>>>
<br>> >>>> the respective full DVD.isos.<br>> >>>><br>> >>>> Both fail to get past probing the serial ports on boot. The i386<br>> >>>> thumb drive has been used successfully to install a Dell 270.
<br>> >>>> Currently both hyperthreading and speedstep are enabled. I have tried<br>> >>>><br>> >>>> a few kernel parameters, such as pci=nomsi, acpi=off and noacpi to no<br>> >>>> avail.
<br>> >>>><br>> >>>> Has anyone succeeded in installing F8 on this hardware?<br>> >>>><br>> >>> ----<br>> >>> my fault, I have a number of bugzilla items in on this...
<br>> >>><br>> >>> <a href="https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=219715" target="_blank">https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=219715</a><br>> >>><br>> >>> <a href="https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=379201" target="_blank">
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=379201</a><br>> >>><br>> >>> you'll note that on the last one, I did figure out that appending<br>> >>><br>> >>> pci=noacpi timesource=acpi_pm
<br>> >>><br>> >>> kernel parameters will allow you to install/boot<br>> >>><br>> >>> but I have never gotten grub to boot on these things and nothing has<br>> >>> changed there, thus I continue to use lilo to get these things to boot
<br>> >>> which means that each kernel update requires a manual run of lilo.<br>> >>><br>> >>> I'm hoping that we get these things all worked out as I am working<br>> >>> doggedly with the kernel developers on this
<br>> >>><br>> >>> Craig<br>> >>><br>> >> Craig,<br>> >><br>> >> thanks for the tips adding pci=noapci and clocksource=acpi_pm indeed<br>> >> allowed me to start the install. I have added myself as a CC on the bugs
<br>> >> you mentioned so, I'll keep my fingers crossed. A complication on my part<br>> >> is that these are to be dual boot systems. I havn't used lilo in years so<br>> >> I'm going to have to brush up on my dual boot lilo configuration.
<br>> >><br>> >> Thanks again, Alastair<br><br>> > An update for those following at home:<br>> ><br>> > I have managed to get these systems to boot using grub2, of course I have<br>> > had to disable kernel updates in the
yum.conf.<br>> ><br>> > As a side note I was absolutely dismayed by the state of grub development.<br>> > The last release of grub2 was at the beginning of 2006. It seems to be<br>> > completely stagnant. This certainly raises the question whither Fedora?
<br>> ><br>> ><br>> I wonder what grub 2 might be. I had a lot of trouble with the grub<br>> I have on F7 but it was all my lack of understanding how grub works and<br>> now it works fine. Could you have the same problem?
<br>----<br></div></div>Karl, please refrain from entering this thread.<br><br>It has nothing to do with you, nothing to do with anything you own, have<br>ever done, will ever do and it is so highly unlikely that you will
<br>contribute anything constructive to it, that you need to ignore this<br>thread completely...<br><br>Thank you<br><br>I don't know anything about grub2 but obviously GPL and similar license<br>permits forking at will but of course, projects that aren't actively
<br>maintained aren't going to make it into mainstream distribution.<br><br>That said, I'm not sure what grub2 offers that lilo doesn't offer...lilo<br>works too.<br><font color="#888888"></font></blockquote><div>
<br>I picked gub2 over lilo because my lilo skills are about 7 years out of date and I hoped, futilely as it turned out, that I could use grub2 as a drop in replacement for grub. It appears that the current version, which is actually just a little over a year old - not the nearly 2 years I originally said, is far from feature complete in terms of compatibility with grub.
<br><br>So I guess if you are happy with lilo there is no compelling reason to switch.<br><br>I checked the mailing lists for the grub2 project and there is activity, however I remain concerned that they have gone from a dot release every few months to nothing for over a year. I 'm guessing they must be making a major design overhaul.
<br><br>Alastair<br> <br> </div></div><br>