ok i will send to u.<BR><BR><B><I>fedora-list-request@redhat.com</I></B> wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">Send fedora-list mailing list submissions to<BR>fedora-list@redhat.com<BR><BR>To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit<BR>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list<BR>or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to<BR>fedora-list-request@redhat.com<BR><BR>You can reach the person managing the list at<BR>fedora-list-owner@redhat.com<BR><BR>When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific<BR>than "Re: Contents of fedora-list digest..."<BR><BR><BR>Today's Topics:<BR><BR>1. Re: Red Hat News (Gene Heskett)<BR>2. Re: Red Hat News - it's probably Classmate (Gene Heskett)<BR>3. Re: Upgrade from Fedora 7 to 8 and ppp trouble (Bill Meier)<BR>4. Re: Virtualize an existing installation of Windows (Richard Shaw)<BR>5. RE: [F8] setroubleshoot running
at 85-95% of CPU<BR>(Daniel B. Thurman)<BR>6. Re: Cups problem (Mikkel L. Ellertson)<BR>7. Re: Red Hat News (Arthur Pemberton)<BR>8. Re: Red Hat News (Gene Heskett)<BR>9. Re: usbkeys with U3 and their removal? (Tim)<BR>10. Re: fedora-list Digest, Vol 46, Issue 122 (Tim)<BR>11. Re: SELinux enforcing, an external ntfs-3g mount, Samba and<BR>Fedora 8 (Tim)<BR>12. Re: Red Hat News (Craig White)<BR>13. Re: Re: Re: F8 Network Woe (Tim)<BR>14. Re: Cups problem (Craig White)<BR>15. Re: Why cant I make my laptop ethernet cards recognise 10Mbs?<BR>(Tim)<BR>16. Re: Cups problem (david walcroft)<BR><BR><BR>----------------------------------------------------------------------<BR><BR>Message: 1<BR>Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 22:22:14 -0500<BR>From: Gene Heskett <GENE.HESKETT@VERIZON.NET><BR>Subject: Re: Red Hat News<BR>To: For users of Fedora <FEDORA-LIST@REDHAT.COM><BR>Message-ID: <200712122222.14751.gene.heskett@verizon.net><BR>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8<BR><BR>On
Wednesday 12 December 2007, John Wendel wrote:<BR>>Gene Heskett wrote:<BR>>> On Wednesday 12 December 2007, Craig White wrote:<BR>>>> On Wed, 2007-12-12 at 17:12 -0600, Arthur Pemberton wrote:<BR>>>>> On Dec 12, 2007 5:02 PM, Craig White <CRAIG@TOBYHOUSE.COM>wrote:<BR>>>>>> On Wed, 2007-12-12 at 14:54 -0800, John Wendel wrote:<BR>>>>>>> Interesting, I wonder which utilities they're talking about?<BR>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>> "Red Hat officials said they were postponing the release once again<BR>>>>>>> to give the company time to resolve issues with rights to distribute<BR>>>>>>> music and video-playing utilities with its operating system."<BR>>>>>><BR>>>>>> ----<BR>>>>>> link?<BR>>>>>><BR>>>>>> Craig<BR>>>>><BR>>>>>
http://redmondmag.com/reports/article.asp?EditorialsID=624<BR>>>>><BR>>>>> Take note of the vagueness<BR>>>><BR>>>> ----<BR>>>> I guess I don't get it...<BR>>>><BR>>>> Red Hat just released 5.1, 4.6 and obviously Fedora 8 was on track.<BR>>>><BR>>>> Did I miss something?<BR>>>><BR>>>> Craig<BR>>><BR>>> I took note of the address, and figured, seeing as how I can be damned<BR>>> paranoid about anything Redmond related, assumed it was an in-house<BR>>> machine at M$, spewing its usual FUD & total missinfo. Possibly even<BR>>> contaminated by satire.<BR>><BR>>“First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you,<BR>>then you win.” Gandhi<BR>><BR>Funny thing is, I have lived through Gandhi's time, and more or less followed <BR>what he was doing cuz even then I thought it was right. But I don't recall
<BR>seeing that as being attributed to him until sigs on emails got popular, 8 or <BR>10 years ago. Does anyone know when he said it?<BR><BR>-- <BR>Cheers, Gene<BR>"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:<BR>soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."<BR>-Ed Howdershelt (Author)<BR>Don't suspect your friends -- turn them in!<BR>-- "Brazil"<BR><BR><BR><BR>------------------------------<BR><BR>Message: 2<BR>Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 22:24:40 -0500<BR>From: Gene Heskett <GENE.HESKETT@VERIZON.NET><BR>Subject: Re: Red Hat News - it's probably Classmate<BR>To: For users of Fedora <FEDORA-LIST@REDHAT.COM><BR>Message-ID: <200712122224.40280.gene.heskett@verizon.net><BR>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8<BR><BR>On Wednesday 12 December 2007, Craig White wrote:<BR>>On Wed, 2007-12-12 at 18:35 -0500, jack wallen wrote:<BR>>> Karl Larsen wrote:<BR>>> > John Wendel wrote:<BR>>> >> Craig White wrote:<BR>>>
>>> On Wed, 2007-12-12 at 14:54 -0800, John Wendel wrote:<BR>>> >>>> Interesting, I wonder which utilities they're talking about?<BR>>> >>>><BR>>> >>>> "Red Hat officials said they were postponing the release once again<BR>>> >>>> to give the company time to resolve issues with rights to distribute<BR>>> >>>> music and video-playing utilities with its operating system."<BR>>> >>><BR>>> >>> ----<BR>>> >>> link?<BR>>> >>><BR>>> >>> Craig<BR>>> >><BR>>> >> Sorry (lazy me)<BR>>> >><BR>>> >><BR>>> >> http://www.reuters.com/article/businessNews/idUSN1149866820071211?sp=tr<BR>>> >>ue<BR>>> >><BR>>> >><BR>>> >> Regards,<BR>>> >><BR>>> >> John<BR>>> ><BR>>> > What
version were they to offer? It's not a Fedora issue is it? F9 I<BR>>> > thought would be later.<BR>>> ><BR>>> > Karl<BR>>><BR>>> i think they are talking about this:<BR>>><BR>>> http://www.olpcnews.com/software/operating_system/red_hat_intel_classmate_<BR>>>pc.html<BR>>><BR>>> it's basically competition for OLPC.<BR>><BR>>----<BR>>cool...my boss ordered one of the OLPC (on the 2 for 1 deal) and I'm<BR>>looking forward to playing with it. No wonder why redmondmag is<BR>>gloating...Microsoft is pretty much just an interested party anyway.<BR>><BR>>Craig<BR><BR>Be aware, very aware, when Redmond gets interested. They can teach the CIA <BR>tricks. Humm, on second thought, with the CIA's track record recently, maybe <BR>they should.<BR><BR>-- <BR>Cheers, Gene<BR>"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:<BR>soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."<BR>-Ed
Howdershelt (Author)<BR>Type cat vmlinuz > /dev/audio to hear the Voice of God.<BR><BR><BR><BR>------------------------------<BR><BR>Message: 3<BR>Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 22:26:52 -0500<BR>From: Bill Meier <WMEIER@NEWSGUY.COM><BR>Subject: Re: Upgrade from Fedora 7 to 8 and ppp trouble<BR>To: For users of Fedora <FEDORA-LIST@REDHAT.COM><BR>Message-ID: <4760A67C.1070004@newsguy.com><BR>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed<BR><BR>Bill LaGrue wrote:<BR><BR><...><BR><BR>Can't you still boot to F7 ? [It sounds like the answer is no: :) ].<BR><BR>If you can, what does the log show on F7 for the same ppp options ?<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>------------------------------<BR><BR>Message: 4<BR>Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 21:30:45 -0600<BR>From: Richard Shaw <HOBBES1069@GMAIL.COM><BR>Subject: Re: Virtualize an existing installation of Windows<BR>To: For users of Fedora <FEDORA-LIST@REDHAT.COM><BR>Message-ID:
<4760A765.6020208@gmail.com><BR>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed<BR><BR>Dylan Semler wrote:<BR>><BR>><BR>> On Dec 11, 2007 6:03 PM, Richard Shaw <HOBBES1069@GMAIL.COM <br>> <mailto:hobbes1069@gmail.com>> wrote:<BR>><BR>><BR>> I don't know about using Xen. I wanted to go that route but my<BR>> processor does not support VT-x. I use VirtualBox and it works<BR>> quite well. In their tutorial they have instructions for building<BR>> a VMDK file that points to the partition. It may be more automated<BR>> now but it was pretty manual when I did it. A couple of notices:<BR>><BR>><BR>> Interesting, I have never heard of VirtualBox. What made you chose <BR>> that over vmware? How do you like the performance?<BR>><BR>> Thanks for the tips.<BR>> -- <BR>> Dylan<BR>><BR>> Type faster. Use Dvorak:<BR>> http://dvzine.org <BR>A while ago there was a virtualization discussion going on here
and <BR>several products were listed, one of which was VirtualBox. I have both <BR>VMWare and VirtualBox working, the former with a 6GB file and VirtualBox <BR>pointing to my XP partition. VirtualBox is still very full featured but <BR>not quite a tweakble as VMWare but seems to run a little faster. They're <BR>both good products.<BR><BR>Even though they are both "free" I don't like having to mess with a <BR>serial # for VMWare, also the setup for VirtualBox is simpler, although <BR>both require you to compile a kernel module. (At least for Fedora, you <BR>can probably get prebuilt modules for RHEL/CentOS).<BR><BR>Richard<BR><BR><BR><BR>------------------------------<BR><BR>Message: 5<BR>Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 20:02:55 -0800<BR>From: "Daniel B. Thurman" <DANT@CDKKT.COM><BR>Subject: RE: [F8] setroubleshoot running at 85-95% of CPU<BR>To: "For users of Fedora" <FEDORA-LIST@REDHAT.COM><BR>Message-ID:
<021126B987E43D44A860139823C079110E2C11@orion.cdkkt.com><BR>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"<BR><BR>Tony Nelson wrote:<BR>><BR>>Reboot, or log out and back in, or restart what you stopped.<BR>><BR><BR>Yup. I did that. I even /.autorelabel just in case.<BR>setroubleshoot went right back into CPU overload.<BR><BR>Why me!?!?!? ;)<BR><BR>No virus found in this outgoing message.<BR>Checked by AVG Free Edition. <BR>Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.17.1/1181 - Release Date: 12/11/2007 5:05 PM<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>------------------------------<BR><BR>Message: 6<BR>Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 22:29:55 -0600<BR>From: "Mikkel L. Ellertson" <MIKKEL@INFINITY-LTD.COM><BR>Subject: Re: Cups problem<BR>To: For users of Fedora <FEDORA-LIST@REDHAT.COM><BR>Message-ID: <4760B543.1000605@infinity-ltd.com><BR>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"<BR><BR>Craig White wrote:<BR>> On Wed, 2007-12-12 at 19:04 -0600, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote:<BR>>>
It looks like the OP is missing something. Even if cups is not<BR>>> enabled with chkconfig, the service command should still work. It<BR>>> looks like /etc/init.d/cups script is missing. (I have never checked<BR>>> to see what happens if the <SERVICE>script is there, but not<BR>>> executable.)<BR>> <BR>> good point - but you are not helping OP with useful things to do<BR>> <BR>I know - I am at a loss. I saw where the OP re-installed the cups<BR>rpm, so I don't know why the script is missing. I was hoping you<BR>would have some ideas.<BR><BR>Mikkel<BR>-- <BR><BR>Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons,<BR>for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup!<BR><BR>-------------- next part --------------<BR>A non-text attachment was scrubbed...<BR>Name: signature.asc<BR>Type: application/pgp-signature<BR>Size: 189 bytes<BR>Desc: OpenPGP digital signature<BR>Url :
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-list/attachments/20071212/a823d0c2/signature.bin<BR><BR>------------------------------<BR><BR>Message: 7<BR>Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 22:39:03 -0600<BR>From: "Arthur Pemberton" <PEMBOA@GMAIL.COM><BR>Subject: Re: Red Hat News<BR>To: "For users of Fedora" <FEDORA-LIST@REDHAT.COM><BR>Message-ID:<BR><16de708d0712122039p3287bb1i333c88fca22f3383@mail.gmail.com><BR>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1<BR><BR>On Dec 12, 2007 9:22 PM, Gene Heskett <GENE.HESKETT@VERIZON.NET>wrote:<BR>> On Wednesday 12 December 2007, John Wendel wrote:<BR>> >Gene Heskett wrote:<BR>> >> On Wednesday 12 December 2007, Craig White wrote:<BR>> >>> On Wed, 2007-12-12 at 17:12 -0600, Arthur Pemberton wrote:<BR>> >>>> On Dec 12, 2007 5:02 PM, Craig White <CRAIG@TOBYHOUSE.COM>wrote:<BR>> >>>>> On Wed, 2007-12-12 at 14:54 -0800, John Wendel wrote:<BR>> >>>>>> Interesting, I
wonder which utilities they're talking about?<BR>> >>>>>><BR>> >>>>>> "Red Hat officials said they were postponing the release once again<BR>> >>>>>> to give the company time to resolve issues with rights to distribute<BR>> >>>>>> music and video-playing utilities with its operating system."<BR>> >>>>><BR>> >>>>> ----<BR>> >>>>> link?<BR>> >>>>><BR>> >>>>> Craig<BR>> >>>><BR>> >>>> http://redmondmag.com/reports/article.asp?EditorialsID=624<BR>> >>>><BR>> >>>> Take note of the vagueness<BR>> >>><BR>> >>> ----<BR>> >>> I guess I don't get it...<BR>> >>><BR>> >>> Red Hat just released 5.1, 4.6 and obviously Fedora 8 was on track.<BR>> >>><BR>> >>> Did I miss
something?<BR>> >>><BR>> >>> Craig<BR>> >><BR>> >> I took note of the address, and figured, seeing as how I can be damned<BR>> >> paranoid about anything Redmond related, assumed it was an in-house<BR>> >> machine at M$, spewing its usual FUD & total missinfo. Possibly even<BR>> >> contaminated by satire.<BR>> ><BR>> >"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you,<BR>> >then you win." Gandhi<BR>> ><BR>> Funny thing is, I have lived through Gandhi's time, and more or less followed<BR>> what he was doing cuz even then I thought it was right. But I don't recall<BR>> seeing that as being attributed to him until sigs on emails got popular, 8 or<BR>> 10 years ago. Does anyone know when he said it?<BR><BR>http://www.quotedb.com/quotes/2776<BR><BR><BR><BR>-- <BR>Fedora 7 : sipping some of that moonshine<BR>( www.pembo13.com
)<BR><BR><BR><BR>------------------------------<BR><BR>Message: 8<BR>Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 23:48:31 -0500<BR>From: Gene Heskett <GENE.HESKETT@VERIZON.NET><BR>Subject: Re: Red Hat News<BR>To: For users of Fedora <FEDORA-LIST@REDHAT.COM><BR>Message-ID: <200712122348.31490.gene.heskett@verizon.net><BR>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1<BR><BR>On Wednesday 12 December 2007, Arthur Pemberton wrote:<BR><BR>>> >"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you,<BR>>> >then you win." Gandhi<BR>>><BR>>> Funny thing is, I have lived through Gandhi's time, and more or less<BR>>> followed what he was doing cuz even then I thought it was right. But I<BR>>> don't recall seeing that as being attributed to him until sigs on emails<BR>>> got popular, 8 or 10 years ago. Does anyone know when he said it?<BR>><BR>>http://www.quotedb.com/quotes/2776<BR>><BR>Thanks Arther, but that database doesn't seem
to have any dates even when you <BR>back up to the man himself. I was asking "when?". :)<BR><BR>-- <BR>Cheers, Gene<BR>"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:<BR>soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."<BR>-Ed Howdershelt (Author)<BR>Immanuel Kant but Kubla Khan.<BR><BR><BR><BR>------------------------------<BR><BR>Message: 9<BR>Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 15:39:32 +1030<BR>From: Tim <IGNORED_MAILBOX@YAHOO.COM.AU><BR>Subject: Re: usbkeys with U3 and their removal?<BR>To: For users of Fedora <FEDORA-LIST@REDHAT.COM><BR>Message-ID: <1197522572.2804.5.camel@bigblack.lan.cameratim.com><BR>Content-Type: text/plain<BR><BR>Tim:<BR>>> The local religious school were a bit embarrassed when some of their<BR>>> cooking students went looking on the internet for cheesecake pictures.<BR>>> It wasn't food that they saw. ;-)<BR><BR>Dotan Cohen:<BR>> I search with SafeSearch off, and all I got back were cakes. Made me
hungry.<BR><BR>Well, what they got was the traditional breast enhancing pose for a<BR>photographer. Suggestive, but not salicious... Still, given the<BR>viewing environment, it wasn't appropriate. Though they tend to be<BR>pragmatic about such things.<BR><BR>>> I remember having a little chat with one of their students about<BR>>> downloading MP3s. Seeing as it was a religious school, I pushed the<BR>>> notion that it was wrong to steal a few times. He couldn't argue<BR>>> against it. ;-)<BR><BR>> But he probably kept doing it anyway. There is a difference between<BR>> being religious and being moral. The fact that the ten commandments<BR>> tells us not to steal notwithstanding.<BR><BR>It's a fair bet that he would. But it did put him in a position where<BR>he was unable to argue back. Yes, I can come up with various<BR>justifications for pirating, and I've heard a plethora of them before.<BR>But when your arguing with students, you need a
position that they can't<BR>negate. ;-)<BR><BR>I'm not a religious person, I can agree with a lot of the sentiment on<BR>philosophical grounds, though. But not fundamentalism, and I include<BR>computer fanaticsm in that, too. Nothing's just black and white.<BR><BR>-- <BR>[tim@bigblack ~]$ uname -ipr<BR>2.6.23.1-10.fc7 i686 i386<BR><BR>Using FC 4, 5, 6 & 7, plus CentOS 5. Today, it's FC7.<BR><BR>Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored.<BR>I read messages from the public lists.<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>------------------------------<BR><BR>Message: 10<BR>Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 15:50:14 +1030<BR>From: Tim <IGNORED_MAILBOX@YAHOO.COM.AU><BR>Subject: Re: fedora-list Digest, Vol 46, Issue 122<BR>To: For users of Fedora <FEDORA-LIST@REDHAT.COM><BR>Message-ID: <1197523214.2804.12.camel@bigblack.lan.cameratim.com><BR>Content-Type: text/plain<BR><BR>On Wed, 2007-12-12 at 10:25 -0500, Todd Denniston wrote:<BR>> I wonder how many RFC's would be
violated if list servers would have<BR>> the ability (list configuration item) to look at the emails sent to<BR>> it, and if an email had less than say a 1-5% (of a normalized form of<BR>> the email) difference to one of the list's own Digests (from the last<BR>> few weeks), either reject the email or only send the difference on to<BR>> the list, especially if subject email had the subject "Re: thislist<BR>> Digest, ThislistsVolIssuePolicy". <BR><BR>You can certainly reject certain messages as being unwanted.<BR><BR>I was thinking just the other day that I would have had replies to<BR>digests outright banned if the subject line wasn't changed and the<BR>message was a full quote reply. Bouncing it back with a rejection<BR>notice saying what was required for a post to be accepted.<BR><BR>I'd be tempted to go further. Any "replies" lacking the in-reply-to and<BR>references headers to be rejected, too, for stuffing up threading.<BR><BR>Tim... ex-BBS SysOp
tyrant...<BR><BR>-- <BR>[tim@bigblack ~]$ uname -ipr<BR>2.6.23.1-10.fc7 i686 i386<BR><BR>Using FC 4, 5, 6 & 7, plus CentOS 5. Today, it's FC7.<BR><BR>Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored.<BR>I read messages from the public lists.<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>------------------------------<BR><BR>Message: 11<BR>Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 15:55:27 +1030<BR>From: Tim <IGNORED_MAILBOX@YAHOO.COM.AU><BR>Subject: Re: SELinux enforcing, an external ntfs-3g mount, Samba and<BR>Fedora 8<BR>To: For users of Fedora <FEDORA-LIST@REDHAT.COM><BR>Message-ID: <1197523528.2804.18.camel@bigblack.lan.cameratim.com><BR>Content-Type: text/plain<BR><BR>Craig White:<BR>>>> Thus the concept of 'users' and 'mapping', though intriguing, would be<BR>>>> rather pointless for an NTFS filesystem mounted by ntfs-3g <BR><BR>Tim:<BR>>> Nup, I'd say it's just as valid as the user ownership in my ext3 /home<BR>>> partition.<BR>>> <BR>>> I
could well have three people using a Linux box, and the same three<BR>>> people using Windows, and wanting to each own their own files, all of<BR>>> the time, no matter where stored.<BR><BR>John Summerfield:<BR>> However much you wish it, I don't think it would even work for two <BR>> Windows systems on the same computer.<BR><BR>That would be harder than Windows sharing with Linux, at least we can<BR>make Linux do what we want it to. Windows philosophy is that it won't<BR>let you customise things exactly how you want it, you have to fit in<BR>with how it wants to do things.<BR><BR>> For starters, Windows expects to be installed to a primary partition. <BR>> This protects one Windows system from another installed on the same drive.<BR><BR>I've broken that rule before, but I can't remember which version of<BR>Windows.<BR><BR>>> Whether ntfs-3g can manage that is another matter, but there's<BR>>> definitely good reasons to want seamless
different user ownership across<BR>>> different file systems.<BR><BR>> A problem is whether user "tim" in one context is the same as "tim" in <BR>> another.<BR><BR>Of course. User mapping would have to be manual, or at least tweaked<BR>after an automatic audit. As you say, you might have two different Tims<BR>on a system, or differing usernames on the two OSs.<BR><BR>-- <BR>[tim@bigblack ~]$ uname -ipr<BR>2.6.23.1-10.fc7 i686 i386<BR><BR>Using FC 4, 5, 6 & 7, plus CentOS 5. Today, it's FC7.<BR><BR>Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored.<BR>I read messages from the public lists.<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>------------------------------<BR><BR>Message: 12<BR>Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 22:26:42 -0700<BR>From: Craig White <CRAIGWHITE@AZAPPLE.COM><BR>Subject: Re: Red Hat News<BR>To: For users of Fedora <FEDORA-LIST@REDHAT.COM><BR>Message-ID: <1197523602.5903.22.camel@lin-workstation.azapple.com><BR>Content-Type: text/plain<BR><BR>On Wed,
2007-12-12 at 23:48 -0500, Gene Heskett wrote:<BR>> On Wednesday 12 December 2007, Arthur Pemberton wrote:<BR>> <BR>> >> >"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you,<BR>> >> >then you win." Gandhi<BR>> >><BR>> >> Funny thing is, I have lived through Gandhi's time, and more or less<BR>> >> followed what he was doing cuz even then I thought it was right. But I<BR>> >> don't recall seeing that as being attributed to him until sigs on emails<BR>> >> got popular, 8 or 10 years ago. Does anyone know when he said it?<BR>> ><BR>> >http://www.quotedb.com/quotes/2776<BR>> ><BR>> Thanks Arther, but that database doesn't seem to have any dates even when you <BR>> back up to the man himself. I was asking "when?". :)<BR>----<BR>perhaps it's just me but wouldn't it be more logical and efficient to<BR>google these things for
yourself?<BR><BR>Craig<BR><BR><BR><BR>------------------------------<BR><BR>Message: 13<BR>Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 15:58:08 +1030<BR>From: Tim <IGNORED_MAILBOX@YAHOO.COM.AU><BR>Subject: Re: Re: Re: F8 Network Woe<BR>To: For users of Fedora <FEDORA-LIST@REDHAT.COM><BR>Message-ID: <1197523688.2804.21.camel@bigblack.lan.cameratim.com><BR>Content-Type: text/plain<BR><BR>Tim:<BR>>> I can plug a box into my network, give it the IP 192.168.1.6, but not<BR>>> bother to put any entries for it on the DNS server nor any hosts file.<BR>>> It'll still be useable on the network, but no other machine will be able<BR>>> to dig, host, or nslookup, it. And it won't be able to do some of those<BR>>> checks on itself. Being able to ping it would depend on its<BR>>> configuration. <BR><BR>Aaron Konstam:<BR>> What you are saying is true except the machine should respond to its<BR>> own ip address. It is certainly responding when he tries to set up
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