<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Jan 22, 2008 2:00 PM, Arthur Pemberton <<a href="mailto:pemboa@gmail.com">pemboa@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
2008/1/22 max bianco <<a href="mailto:maximilianbianco@gmail.com">maximilianbianco@gmail.com</a>>:<br>><br>><br>><br>><br>> On Jan 22, 2008 11:30 AM, Les <<a href="mailto:hlhowell@pacbell.net">hlhowell@pacbell.net
</a>> wrote:<br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> > On Mon, 2008-01-21 at 20:41 -0600, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote:<br>> > > Les wrote:<br>> > > > Also if Karl doesn't get it, there will be other much more timid folk
<br>> > > > who also don't get it. When the answer that Karl understands is added<br>> > > > to the archives, more people benefit than Karl. I know this from<br>> years<br>> > > > of teaching people complex topics in Test Engineering. I could tell
<br>> you<br>> > > > some good stories about some classes, but those people were also<br>> serious<br>> > > > about learning. Better to have helped them than to upset them or<br>> tease<br>
> > > > them. In turn they helped their friends and their company. They<br>> become<br>> > > > better thought of, the company's profit increases, and everyone is a<br>> > > > winner. Not hard, just hard to keep your composure sometimes.
<br>> > > ><br>> > > So, what do you do when you have a student that will not read the<br>> > > book, will not do the homework assignments, and argues that he know<br>> > > better then the teacher? That when you try to correct his mistakes,
<br>> > > he calls you names?<br>> > ><br>> > > I have seen many people helped on the list that didn't understand.<br>> > > The difference is that when they do not understand something, they
<br>> > > tell you what they don't understand, and get it explained to them in<br>> > > simpler terms, and/or get pointers to where they can find the<br>> > > information to help them understand.
<br>> > ><br>> > > There are times when step by step instructions are the way to handle<br>> > > things, but more often, it is better to help them find the<br>> > > information they need, or accompany the instructions with
<br>> > > explanations of what the instructions do. Help them learn - don't do<br>> > > the work for them!<br>> > ><br>> > > I have to question weather Fedora is the right distribution for
<br>> > > someone that needs step by step instructions, instead of being able<br>> > > to read the instructions on a web page when it is pointed out to<br>> > > them. I know it is not the distribution I would recommend to someone
<br>> > > for their first Linux distribution. It is not for someone that can<br>> > > not do their own research, or understand the technical language. You<br>> > > should also have at least some problem solving skill. If you need
<br>> > > someone to take you by the hand, and walk you through things, you<br>> > > are in the wrong place. Using Fedora requires effort on the part of<br>> > > the user to understand things.<br>
> > ><br>> > > Mikkel<br>> > These are your feelings. I cannot tell you not to feel that way. I<br>> > cannot change Karl, either, but to harangue Karl because of your<br>> > feelings is illogical and counter productive. If you choose to answer
<br>> > him, do so as completely as you can and then stop. Others can and will<br>> > pick up the ball after that. I just don't see it as a problem that<br>> > tirade after tirade helps you, him and especially the list. Just my
<br>> > opinion.<br>> ><br>> ><br>><br>> I second the idea that he just be ignored if he is a problem. Anybody<br>> heard the one about the Pope and Bill Clinton?<br><br><br>They ran out of new brothels to visit?
</blockquote><div><br>There are a couple of variations on this one this is how I heard it :<br> <br></div>
Bill Clinton and the Pope died on the same day, and due
to an administrative foul up, Clinton was sent to heaven
and the Pope was sent to hell. The Pope explained the
situation to the devil, who checked out all of the paperwork,
and the error was acknowledged. <br>
<br>
The Pope was told, however, that it would take about 24
hours to fix the problem and correct the error. The next
day, the Pope was called in and the devil said his good-bye
to the Pope as he went off to heaven. <br>
<br>
On his way up, the Pope met Clinton who was on his way
down, and they stopped to chat. <br>
<br>
Pope: Sorry about the mix up. <br>
<br>
Clinton: No problem!<br>
<br>
Pope: Well, I'm really excited about going to heaven.<br>
<br>
Clinton: Why is that? It's not that great. <br>
<br>
Pope: All my life I've wanted to meet the Virgin Mary.<br>
<br>
Clinton: Sorry, your Holiness - but you're a day
late.
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</div><br>-Max<br>