<div dir="ltr"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 8:25 AM, William Case <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:billlinux@rogers.com">billlinux@rogers.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
Hi Kevin, Mikkel, Bruce et al;<br>
<br>
NetWorkMangager was the culprit ...<br>
<br>
On Wed, 2008-08-06 at 01:59 -0400, Kevin J. Cummings wrote:<br>
<br>
> I just went back and looked, you have a wired ethernet setup. Why are<br>
> you using NetworkManager? Have you tried disabling NetworkManager and<br>
> starting up the "network" service in its place?<br>
<br>
As you suggested, I turned off NetworkManger services. After rebooting,<br>
everything worked the way it should. No boot up warnings; browsers and<br>
Evolution started online; all connections were made.<br>
<br>
> (Unless you are somehow<br>
> married to using NetworkManager....) "sysconfig-config-network" can<br>
> then be used to configure the ethernet card, even for DHCP from your<br>
> router.<br>
<br>
I am not married to NetworkManager but ...<br>
It would be nice to have a simple tool for ordinary users to configure<br>
their networks, large or small.<br>
<br>
[snip]<br>
<br>
>From various comments made on the list, and my recent experience<br>
NetworkManager is not yet ready for prime time. I was willing to spend<br>
the time, and still am, to help sort out NetworkMangager problems for<br>
small wired LANs.<br>
<br>
Summary:<br>
<br>
My problem seems to have boiled down to this:<br>
<br>
1. As originally installed by Ananconda, NetworkManager worked, or<br>
at least did not interfere, with my household and Internet<br>
networking.<br>
2. When I tried to make changes manually, NetworkManager could not<br>
recognize those changes if correct, nor give appropriate<br>
meaningful warnings if incorrect, nor reflect the state of<br>
things in any of its fields. It just quit working and would not<br>
restart even after corrections had been made from the<br>
commandline.<br>
<br>
Suggested Solution:<br>
1. The developers continue to work on NetworkManager so that it is<br>
robust enough to handle people messing about with its settings<br>
either from the command line or within the gui.<br>
2. Because networking is complex and confusing for users (I don't<br>
limit this comment to newbies) the error analysis should be<br>
meaningful.<br>
3. In fact, I think it is well within the capabilities of today's<br>
developers to build a robost network setup analysis tool.<br>
4. I would like to see two frontends for NetworkManager. One that<br>
is written in plain language with lots of 'Help' and tool tips<br>
and with the minimum of technospeak. And, a second frontend<br>
that is for advanced users. One of the advantages of FOSS is<br>
that you can write several different 'thingies' to be used by<br>
different types of users. It doesn't have to be one size fits<br>
all like M$.<br>
<br>
I was taking this opportunity to finally learn some stuff about<br>
networking, so I don't begrudge the time. In fact, that is what got me<br>
in trouble in the first place, screwing around with my settings to see<br>
what they would do.<br>
<br>
Up until now I was content to let my networks be set up automagically.<br>
If something goes wrong in Linux/Fedora it is tough to figure out how to<br>
fix it. In M$, it is almost impossible to follow. To me this is an<br>
area where we (Fedora, Linux and FOSS) could excel.<br>
<br>
If anybody thinks all this to-do has been worth filing a bug against<br>
NetworkManager. I will file. If it has just been a self-induced problem<br>
solved by shutting NetworkManager off, I'll leave things alone. Let me<br>
know.<br>
<br>
<br>
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Regards Bill;<br>
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Evo.2.22.3.1, Emacs 22.2.1<br>
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</font></blockquote></div><br>I would file a bug. Anything that gets some attention placed towards NetworkManager is worth it. I ended up disabled NM because it would screw up my wireless connection. I don't think NM is ready for prime time. I would also like to see system-config-network interface to NM (if present) rather than providing a different interface so that there is a consistant gui for configuring the network.<br>
<br>Paolo<br></div>