On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 11:47 PM, Joel Rees <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:joel.rees@gmail.com">joel.rees@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
<div class="im"><br>
On Jun 29, 2010, at 11:18 AM, Robert Myers wrote:<br>
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> But there is a Fedora issue here. Why would anyone sane try to use<br>
> bleeding-edge Fedora for multi-media web surfing?<br>
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</div>Just curious, are you talking about rawhide or 64 bit? Please be a<br>
little more specific. Otherwise, you could hit someone's hot-buttons.<br>
(Mine, for instance.)<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I'm talking about Fedora, which has no aim to be a Windows replacement, period.</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
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> Use Windows<br>
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Begging your pardon?<br>
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> or install a real or virtual Ubuntu somewhere to do that kind of<br>
> messing around.<br>
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</div>F12 on 32 bit AMD is quite stable for me, although, if I could afford<br>
the RAM and cpu and motherboard upgrade for virtualization (When did<br>
the requirements shoot through the roof?) I'd definitely surf sandboxed.<br>
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(Even F12 on my iBook, well, gnash handles some of the Flash<br>
dependent sites.)<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>The requirements for GUI Linux have been shooting through the roof for years.</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
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> Use the free Windows that came with your box<br>
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</div>Showing our biases, are we?<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>What bias. I hate Windows. If you want to see how the web looks to someone other than a geek, you have to use Windows.</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
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It ain't free, and there are a lot of users here whose computers have<br>
never booted MSWindows. (Well, my AMD box was tested at the store<br>
with MSWIndows before they wiped it and turned it over to me, but not<br>
since.)<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>You are asking a lot from your box.</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
<div class="im"><br>
> and install a virtual Fedora box (assuming your system is up to it).<br>
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</div>Huge assumption, there, although, if we are talking 64 bit, maybe not<br>
so huge.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>If your system isn't up to it, then your system isn't up to it.</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
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> Run a separate Fedora box from your Windows box<br>
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</div>Many people's living arrangements don't allow for casually adding<br>
another box.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Then maybe you have to make some choices about what to expect and what not to expect from your box.</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
<div class="im"><br>
> and import X applications from your Fedora box using Cygwin-X. The<br>
> possibilities are almost endless, but there is one constant: keep<br>
> Flash off your Fedora box.<br>
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</div>Are you saying that because Adobe can't seem to fix the hole in their<br>
Flash for GNU/Linux?<br>
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Or are you saying that because it's not stable on your system?<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I'm saying that because Flash is nothing but a source of problems, even on Windows. I want to keep problems off my Fedora boxes so that I can count on a clean environment. I hate ever to agree with Steve Jobs, but, on this issue, I'm on his side. In any case, if you experience problems with Flash, don't blame it on the OS.</div>
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> One of the myths about Linux is that you can do anything on<br>
> downscale hardware.<br>
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</div>Heh. One of the myths about computers is that you can do anything at<br>
all.<br>
<div class="im"><br></div></blockquote><div>I'm not sure what to do with a comment like that, especially because I don't know how old you are. This is really not the forum, though, for a broad-ranging discussion of how limited computers really are, in part because of the ways we misuse them.</div>
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> If you're running an older box, some graphical applications will<br>
> make your box show its age.<br>
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</div>Graphical? As in the Gimp, or as in 3D modeling, or as in GUI?<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>GUI.</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
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> An old box free of tons of graphical crap can still do amazing<br>
> things in Linux. Set realistic expectations, don't expect magic,<br>
> and use something other than Fedora for multi-media web surfing.<br>
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</div>I'm wondering what you mean by multi-media web surfing, because there<br>
sure is a lot that falls under that label that my 1.6 MHz Sempron<br>
2600 or whatever with only 760MB RAM or whatever after it pulls out<br>
the video RAM (So, like, five or six years ago, isn't it?) handles<br>
reasonably well.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>We had agreed to that this is not the place to discuss Firefox. What you regard as "reasonably well" and what I would regard as reasonably well almost certainly aren't the same. Firefox has had its ups and downs. </div>
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Granted, there are many cases of websites that are intended only for<br>
the latest-greatest hardware, and there are many websites that<br>
deliberately target specific applications. If you're saying that<br>
people who want to visit such sites should go prepared for what those<br>
sites throw at you, I'll agree with that.<br>
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I myself wouldn't suggest raw MSWindows to anyone, but stuff it in a<br>
VM, and you can visit the sites that are designed to use junk that<br>
only runs on MSWindows sort of safely. If you really, really, really<br>
want to. Sort of safely.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>There isn't a safe way to surf the web, so far as I know.</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
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Right now, Adobe's flash for GNU/Linux has problems, and gnash is,<br>
well, always going to be a little behind unless Adobe decides to help<br>
out in a major way. Speaking of which, if all Fedora users avoid<br>
Flash, where does Adobe get their bug reports from?<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>If that's what you want to be doing with your life, have at it.</div><div><br></div><div>Robert.</div></div>