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On September 24, 2011 at 10:02 AM "Daniel B. Thurman" <dant@cdkkt.com> wrote:
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> On 09/24/2011 07:26 AM, Genes MailLists wrote:
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> > On 09/24/2011 07:46 AM, Craig White wrote:
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> >> Whether people are programmers or not is decidedly not the point here.
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> >> The GNOME developers have made a decision to revamp the UI to account
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> >> for the fact that computers are extending beyond the model borne out of
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> >> Xerox PARC... a keyboard, screen and mouse. They are attempting to
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> >> satisfy display scenarios that might be as small as a telephone to very
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> >> large and often multiple large displays. They are attempting to satisfy
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> >> the fact that keyboards and mice might be eschewed in favor of touch
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> >> input and gestures. They are attempting to satisfy the notion that usage
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> >> embraces work flow and workspace(s) and not just application launching.
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> >   Its one thing to add tablet/phone ("metro") mode - its another to make
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> > laptops (or desktops) much more difficult to use.
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> >> You can't go to the Ford dealer and buy a brand new 1957 Thunderbird but
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> >> essentially that is what is being asked of here... an eternal version of
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> >> GNOME that was envisioned and started 10 years ago.
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> >   Problem with argument by analogy is that it often makes little sense.
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> >   Every car you buy still has wheels just as the very first ones did
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> > (support for keyboard) .. and they all have a steering wheel (a mouse)
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> > ... and they all have an engine and a speedometer ... what has happened
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> > to cars is largely additions and automation to make things easier
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> > (headlamps that track steering - they wisely did not remove headlamps) -
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> > switch to LED lights (not remove lights) ... add auto-back-off cruise
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> > control for collision avoidance (not force mouse to move to top left)
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> > ... etc ec
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> >> I can appreciate that long time computer users who only use a keyboard,
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> >> mouse and screen and little adaptability to how they interact with
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> >> grander concepts of work flow and workspace might want to drive the 1957
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> >> Thunderbird forever and if there is a sufficient number of modestly
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> >> skilled users, they can keep repairing the Thunderbird forever. I wish
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> >> them luck.
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> >   Its not the users - its the vehicle - when I'm using a phone/tablet
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> > i'll use the tablet version... when I'm using my multi core server I
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> > have no touch sensitive screen ... when I'm flying a plane I'll use
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> > different controls than driving a car (or a boat). Don't force me to use
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> > boat controls for my plane if you don't mind :-)
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> >   I would take your point really to mean we should offer a phone/tablet
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> > spin as well as a lap/desk top spin. The default spin ... I have no view
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> > ... however only having a phone spin for fedora is silly.
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> >   Of course we have the other DE's which are better suited - so my
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> > suggestion is  move Gnome-3 to a tablet spin and make KDE or LXDE or
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> > XFCE the desktop spin and be done with this silly bickering.
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> >   Vote for which is the default spin or base it on percent of
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> > tablets/phones running fedora if you prefer.
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> >   Gnome 3 is not -the- future - its just todays tablet spin ..
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> >> Then again, even the most casual reading of the intent of Fedora makes
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> >> it clear that it embraces the latest technology advances and those who
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> >> just want things to remain as they are should probably not be using
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> >> Fedora but something like RHEL or CentOS which provide long term
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> >> non-change by intent.
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> >   One must use the right tool for the job - the "latest" here is the
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> > phone spin - doesn't mean we should switch that for all devices ... lets
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> > not pretend you're gonna hold your laptop up to your face and make a
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> > call ... are you? :-)
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> >  gene
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> +1
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<p style="margin: 0px;">I find it ironic that the people that were screaming about KDE when they went this route are defending Gnome for going the same route..... </p>
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