<html><head><meta http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><META name="Author" content="Novell GroupWise WebAccess"></head><body style='font-family: Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; '><div>Jaroslav, </div><div> </div><div>I will start to work on drafting up a document on my best practices for cleaning up the wiki. I will keep you posted on its progress. It would be awesome to more people on board helping out, and with a good best practice guide I think more people will be willing to help wiki garden.</div><div> </div><div>- Chris Roberts<br><br>>>> Jaroslav Reznik <jreznik@redhat.com> 08/21/13 12:00 PM >>><br>----- Original Message -----<br>> I have been going through the wiki as of late and looking at each page<br>> and making sure any outdated information is corrected of put into an<br>> archive page. For example on team meeting pages we don't need meeting<br>> notes from 2008.<br>> <br>> For example here is the docs team meeting page:<br>> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Category:Docs_Project_meetings<br>> <br>> <br>> and the Archived page:<br>> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Old_Docs_Project_Steering_Committee_meeting_minutes_links<br>> <br>> Part of my contribution to the Fedora is making the wiki look better, I<br>> have good experience with this, as its part of my day job in dealing<br>> with wikis.<br><br>Wow, awesome to have you working on it. Could you please document how <br>do you deal with it and we can try to get it widespread, so maybe more<br>people would join you. It's a gigantic task and every hand would be<br>nice I'd say ;-).<br><br>Jaroslav<br><br>> - Chris Roberts<br>> <br>> <br>> Chris Roberts<br>> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Chrisroberts<br>> <br>> >>> Jaroslav Reznik <jreznik@redhat.com> 08/21/13 10:52 AM >>><br>> ----- Original Message -----<br>> > I've been thinking a little bit about why our collaborative<br>> documenation,<br>> > and, you know, why it's a painful mess despite all of the awesome<br>> interested<br>> > people we have. I think that part of it is that our wiki is<br>> intimidating,<br>> > and I think that's partly because we use the wiki in different ways<br>> all<br>> > together:<br>> > <br>> > 1. End-user and developer documentation that isn't as formalized as<br>> that<br>> > at https://docs.fedoraproject.org/ but is still very useful.<br>> > <br>> > 2. Workspace for communication, like the features / changes pages,<br>> the<br>> > font request workflow, or even just the packages wishlist.<br>> > <br>> > 3. Free-for-all drafts and ideas that may eventually turn into one<br>> of the<br>> > above and may go no where, but shouldn't really be mixed in<br>> because<br>> > it's not at that level.<br>> <br>> I'd say these are valid use cases for Wiki - and I'm not saying we can't<br>> do better job to make sure people understand which of the above sections<br>> <br>> they are. But we have bigger problems - after years, even these,<br>> previously<br>> valid uses got too outdated, that it probably does not make sense to<br>> store<br>> them (I know, wiki & history), or at least not be visible to search (has<br>> anyone ever tried to use it at all ;-)?.<br>> <br>> So for me, the first step would be to clean up old mess, make search<br>> available again, review current information (especially for stuff that's<br>> in the main categories). Having some way to sort out information would<br>> cherry on top of our wiki to make users happy :)<br>> <br>> Jaroslav<br>> <br>> > I wonder if there's a way we can make the distinction more obvious,<br>> and<br>> > steer people appropriately?<br>> > <br>> > <br>> > <br>> > --<br>> > Matthew Miller ☁☁☁ Fedora Cloud Architect ☁☁☁<br>> <mattdm@fedoraproject.org><br>> > --<br>> > websites mailing list<br>> > websites@lists.fedoraproject.org<br>> > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/websites<br>> --<br>> websites mailing list<br>> websites@lists.fedoraproject.org<br>> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/websites<br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br><br></div></body></html>