F35 Change: Debuginfod By Default (Self-Contained Change proposal)
by Ben Cotton
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/DebuginfodByDefault
== Summary ==
Fedora users / developers who need to debug/trace distro binaries can
make use of the recently activated elfutils-debuginfod servers to
automatically fetch debugging data and source code, instead of having
to use `# sudo dnf` commands.
== Owner ==
* Name: [[User:fche| Frank Ch. Eigler]]
* Email: fche(a)redhat.com
== Detailed Description ==
Numerous fedora debugging-type tools have built-in capabilities to use
the [https://sourceware.org/elfutils/Debuginfod.html debuginfod]
protocol to fetch debuginfo/source code automatically. We would like
to activate a setting so that Fedora's debuginfod servers are
automatically used, rather than requiring hand-editing individual
users' dot files.
== Feedback ==
There has existed
[https://www.spinics.net/lists/fedora-devel/msg279002.html broad
interest] in a Fedora debuginfod server since the project was proposed
/ announced in 2020, and several distros already operate public
servers of this nature. Some of the distros configure their
installations by default to talk to those servers, some do not.
Turning on this by default has some limited privacy implications.
Some Debian users have
[https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2021/02/msg00262.html expressed
concerns] that this facility "calls home" during debugging, so it may
expose a limited amount of information about what a user is debugging.
The information is limited to the build-id and source code file names
of programs being debugged, and is only sent to the servers if their
machine lacks locally installed debuginfo. Whether this should be
opt-in or opt-out and how has been resolved there via an install-time
query to the sysadmin. In contrast, on OpenSUSE Tumbleweed, it is
[https://build.opensuse.org/request/show/879926 simply defaulted-on],
and we have heard of no controversy.
We anticipate discussing this topic on the mailing list, and noting it
in the release notes either way.
== Benefit to Fedora ==
This will improve developers' experience.
It may reduce download server burden, as only individual
ELF/DWARF/source files are downloaded rather than entire `-debuginfo`
and `-debugsource` RPMs.
It would help Fedora catch up to other distros who put up `debuginfod`
servers already. :-)
== Scope ==
* Proposal owners:
The work could consist one extra parameter in the `elfutils.spec`
`%configure`. Its effect is to arrange for the
`elfutils-debuginfod-client` RPM
to install an `/etc/profile.d` file that sets the `DEBUGINFOD_URLS`
environment variable automatically to
`https://debuginfod.fedoraproject.org/`. (At the time of this
writing, the _staging_ server is getting ready for testing:
`https://debuginfod.stg.fedoraproject.org/`.)
* Other developers: None - relevant code has been previously upstreamed!
* Release engineering: None - our team is operating the
`debuginfod[.stg].fedoraproject.org` VMs.
* Policies and guidelines: N/A (not needed for this Change)
* Trademark approval: N/A (not needed for this Change)
* Alignment with Objectives: N/A
== Upgrade/compatibility impact ==
None.
Note that these servers index all active Fedora releases (32-), all
architectures, so users of those versions can already set
`DEBUGINFOD_URLS` manually to take advantage.
== How To Test ==
* Install `elfutils-debuginfod-client`
* Open arbitrary fedora binary via gdb.
** Admire the immediate downloading of debuginfo and source code.
* Run `eu-stack -v -p $pid` for an arbitrary process.
** Admire the immediate downloading of debuginfo to give precise file:line data.
== User Experience ==
Primarily: users running debuggers, profilers, tracing tools on
internet-capable machines can work immediately, without switching to
privileged users and fragile manual `dnf` commands to install this
data.
== Dependencies ==
The `debuginfod` servers at `fedora-infra` need to be up.
== Contingency Plan ==
* Contingency mechanism: change the elfutils-debuginfod-client subrpm
to not set the default `DEBUGINFOD_URLS` environment variable for all
users. In the case of a server outage, the debugger tools revert to
debuginfo-less operation, prior to this feature.
* Contingency deadline: shortly before freeze
* Blocks release? No
== Documentation ==
There is upstream documentation in the debugging tools as well as
associated with the client code / cli tooling. What our Release Notes
would focus on however is the _automatic activation_ of this facility
via the environment variable.
== Release Notes ==
TBD.
--
Ben Cotton
He / Him / His
Senior Program Manager, Fedora & CentOS Stream
Red Hat
TZ=America/Indiana/Indianapolis
2 hours, 21 minutes
some man pages have bugs, can't be grep'd
by Chris Murphy
I've been seeing this since clean installing Fedora 30. I don't recall
ever seeing it before, including on a Fedora 29 -> Fedora 30 upgraded
system (is now the clean installed system).
[chris@flap ~]$ man rpm | grep -C 10 rpmverbosity
<standard input>:176: warning [p 3, 0.8i]: cannot adjust line
[chris@flap mantest]$ man rpm >rpm.stdout 2>rpm.stderr
[chris@flap mantest]$ ll
-rw-rw-r--. 1 chris chris 62 Jul 16 14:24 rpm.stderr
-rw-rw-r--. 1 chris chris 28498 Jul 16 14:24 rpm.stdout
Is this a bug that should be reported against rpm or something else?
I'm certain I've seen it in other man pages, but offhand I can't find
another example.
--
Chris Murphy
2 months, 1 week
Unretire ulogd (or another NFLOG logger?)
by Chris Adams
I'd like to use NFLOG to log firewall drops (so that the kernel message
log isn't spammed by them), but it doesn't appear there's anything
currently in Fedora that can read that other than "tcpdump -i nflog".
It looks like ulogd was retired a while back because it only had a SysV
init script and nobody stepped up to convert it to systemd (which should
be really simple, since the old init script is pretty much a textbook
template of a SysV init script).
Am I missing anything? Is that all it needs? Is there another NFLOG
logger daemon?
--
Chris Adams <linux(a)cmadams.net>
3 months, 2 weeks
F36 Change: Default To Noto Fonts (System-Wide Change proposal)
by Ben Cotton
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/DefaultToNotoFonts
== Summary ==
Changing the default fonts for various languages to Noto Fonts as much
as possible, to make consistency on the text rendering.
== Owner ==
* Name: [[User:Tagoh|Akira TAGOH]]
* Email: <tagoh(a)redhat.com>
== Detailed Description ==
For a long time we have used DejaVu fonts as the default font for
European and other language scripts. On the other hand some language
scripts are not covered by DejaVu and hence have other default fonts.
(A few languages like Chinese, Japanese and Korean, as well as
Gurmukhi, Sinhala, and emoji are already using Noto fonts by default
for some time.) This situation leads to inconsistencies in text
rendering on applications and desktops, particularly when mixing
different character sets. Further Noto fonts bring some further
advantages: the fonts are generally higher quality and support
variable fonts for most scripts, making them more compact.
This change aims to provide better experience and consistent text
rendering across more languages by replacing DejaVu with Noto as the
general system default set of fonts.
The following packages will be installed by default to replace
DejaVu's coverage:
* google-noto-sans-vf-fonts
* google-noto-serif-vf-fonts
* google-noto-sans-mono-vf-fonts
* google-noto-sans-arabic-vf-fonts
* google-noto-sans-cherokee-vf-fonts
* google-noto-sans-thaana-vf-fonts
* google-noto-sans-hebrew-vf-fonts
* google-noto-rashi-hebrew-vf-fonts
* google-noto-sans-math-vf-fonts
* google-noto-sans-armenian-vf-fonts
* google-noto-serif-armenian-vf-fonts
* google-noto-sans-canadian-aboriginal-vf-fonts
* google-noto-sans-georgian-vf-fonts
* google-noto-serif-georgian-vf-fonts
* google-noto-sans-lao-vf-fonts
* google-noto-serif-lao-vf-fonts
* google-noto-serif-gurmukhi-vf-fonts
* google-noto-serif-sinhala-vf-fonts
And you can check
[https://tagoh.fedorapeople.org/fonts/noto/f36-noto.html the table] to
see what languages will be affected by this change.
== Benefit to Fedora ==
We would get better text rendering on applications and desktops. Also
this change should save about 6MB on the fresh install.
<pre>
$ rpm -qlv dejavu-sans-fonts dejavu-serif-fonts dejavu-sans-mono-fonts
| awk 'BEGIN{a=0}{a+=$5}END{print a}'
10789272</pre>
<pre>
$ rpm -qlv google-noto-sans-vf-fonts google-noto-serif-vf-fonts
google-noto-sans-mono-vf-fonts google-noto-sans-arabic-vf-fonts
google-noto-sans-cherokee-vf-fonts google-noto-sans-thaana-vf-fonts
google-noto
-sans-hebrew-vf-fonts google-noto-rashi-hebrew-vf-fonts
google-noto-sans-math-vf-fonts google-noto-sans-armenian-vf-f
onts google-noto-serif-armenian-vf-fonts
google-noto-sans-canadian-aboriginal-vf-fonts
google-noto-sans-georgian-vf-f
onts google-noto-serif-georgian-vf-fonts google-noto-sans-lao-vf-fonts
google-noto-serif-lao-vf-fonts google-noto-serif-gurmukhi-vf-fonts
google-noto-serif-sinhala-vf-fonts | awk 'BEGIN{a=0}{a+=$5}END{print
a}'
4753340
</pre>
== Scope ==
* Proposal owners:
** Update google-noto-fonts and dejavu-fonts to change the priority
for fontconfig config.
** Update langpacks to update the dependency.
** Update comps to make Noto fonts default.
** Update lorax templates related to DejaVu.
** Update fontconfig to change the order of fonts in the builtin config.
* Other developers:
** Packagers who owns packages implicitly expects DejaVu is installed
by default will needs to update the dependency for them.
* Release engineering: [https://pagure.io/releng/issue/10492 #10492]
* Policies and guidelines: N/A (not needed for this Change)
* Trademark approval: N/A (not needed for this Change)
* Alignment with Objectives:
== Upgrade/compatibility impact ==
The migration will be done by updating langpacks. after upgrading and
rebooting, the default font will be Noto instead of DejaVu.
Since this change aims to switch non-variable fonts to variable fonts,
it may not works with legacy applications as expected such as missing
some variants. in that case, you can install non-variable fonts
packages. the package name will be similar and simply drop `-vf` from
the variable fonts packages.
== How To Test ==
* This change can be simply tested by `fc-match` command like
`fc-match sans:lang=<your langauge>`, `fc-match serif:lang=<your
language>` and `fc-match monospace:lang=<your language>`. You can
check the expected result from
[https://tagoh.fedorapeople.org/fonts/noto/f36-noto.html the table].
* Test the text rendering in your favorite application, which use the
system default font.
== User Experience ==
Users will see the default font is changed to Noto by this change
except for some languages which has much better quality of fonts.
== Dependencies ==
Only dejavu-fonts, langpacks, and fontconfig are required to update.
Other packages which explicitly has a dependency to dejavu-fonts are
basicaly optional to update.
== Contingency Plan ==
* Contingency mechanism: Revert the relevant packages updated.
* Contingency deadline: Beta freeze
* Blocks release? No
== Documentation ==
None.
== Release Notes ==
The default fonts for most languages will be Google Noto fonts instead
of DejaVu, to keep consistency on the text rendering and to provide
better quality among languages.
--
Ben Cotton
He / Him / His
Fedora Program Manager
Red Hat
TZ=America/Indiana/Indianapolis
11 months, 1 week
RISC-V -- are we ready for more, and what do we need to do it?
by Matthew Miller
Hi all! I just got back from Open Source Summit, several of the talks I
found interesting were on RISC-V -- a high-level one about the
organizational structure, and Drew Fustini's more technical talk.
In that, he noted that there's a Fedora build *, but it isn't an official
Fedora arch. As I understand it, the major infrastructure blocker is simply
that there isn't server-class hardware (let alone hardware that will build
fast enough that it isn't a frustrating bottleneck).
So, one question is: if we used, say, ARM or x86_64 Amazon cloud instances
as builders, could we build fast enough under QEMU emulation to work? We
have a nice early advantage, but if we don't keep moving, we'll lose that.
But beyond that: What other things might be limits? Are there key bits of
the distro which don't build yet? Is there a big enough risc-v team to
respond to arch-specific build failures? And, do we have enough people to do
QA around release time?
* see http://fedora.riscv.rocks/koji/
--
Matthew Miller
<mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org>
Fedora Project Leader
11 months, 4 weeks
Self Introduction: Andreas Vögele
by Andreas Vögele
Hello Fedora developers,
I'm Andreas from Stuttgart in Germany. I'm a system administrator and
software developer, who moved his computers to Fedora about a year ago.
I've written a handful of Perl modules that I package at the Open Build
Service and Copr. I'd like to maintain some of these modules directly in
Fedora. In the past, I maintained ports of other software at
SlackBuilds.org and OpenBSD. Occasionally, I contribute patches to free
software projects. I enjoy programming in C, Perl and recently Kotlin.
Kind regards,
Andreas
1 year
Conflicting build-ids in nekovm and haxe
by Andy Li
Hi list,
Re. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1896901
Since haxe-4.1.3-4 and nekovm-2.3.0-4, both nekovm and haxe packages contains "/usr/lib/.build-id/b0/aed4ddf2d45372bcc79d5e95d2834f5045c09c".
The nekovm one is a symlink to "/usr/bin/neko". The haxe one to "/usr/bin/haxelib".
Both the neko and haxelib binaries are built with libneko, with a nearly identical main.c with the only difference of the present of neko bytecode embedded as a byte array (neko: the byte array is null; haxelib: the byte array is the haxelib neko bytecode).
I'm not sure how to resolve it.
Please advice.
Best regards,
Andy
1 year
