Idea: Joining process

[Vinzenz Vietzke]

Dear Ambassadors,

at the moment the design team is discussing a rework of the ambassadors
join process to have a more "graphical" approach. [1]
I made some mockups to show how it could look like. [2]
As you can see at the intro page I added some small guys. [3]

Now the question is:
Do you like them or would you like to have more adult ones, like Sirko
made? [4]

Let me know...

Regards, vinz.

[1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Joining_Ambassadors
[2] http://vinz.fedorapeople.org/join-process/joining-intro.png
[2] http://vinz.fedorapeople.org/join-process/
[4] http://gnokii.fedorapeople.org/kids-design.png
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[Sirko Kemter]

 Dear Ambassadors,
>  
>  at the moment the design team is discussing a rework of the ambassadors
>  join process to have a more "graphical" approach. [1]
>  I made some mockups to show how it could look like. [2]
>  As you can see at the intro page I added some small guys. [3]
>  
>  Now the question is:
>  Do you like them or would you like to have more adult ones, like Sirko
>  made? [4] 
let me add this, that I didnt make is from tatica, I created only the 
characters. Which u can find here:

http://gnokii.fedorapeople.org/fedora-kids.svg

so the question came up, use really such kids? The only thing I get make them 
comic styled.
>  
>  Let me know... 
so let us know
>   

br gnokii
> Regards, vinz.
>   
> [1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Joining_Ambassadors
> [2] http://vinz.fedorapeople.org/join-process/joining-intro.png
> [2] http://vinz.fedorapeople.org/join-process/
> [4] http://gnokii.fedorapeople.org/kids-design.png

[Christian Bryant]

I'd like the more adult looking ones, personally.  No hot dogs, either :)

As a new Ambassador, I have lots of questions, but as I ask them I'm  
often pointed in the right direction and it was under my nose all  
along.  Could we consider a FAQ in this design to address some of  
these and others' questions?

Thanks.

Cheers,

Christian Bryant | Los Angeles, CA
http://christianabryant.fedorapeople.com/

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     Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2011 22:28:47 +0200
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>  Dear Ambassadors,
>
>  at the moment the design team is discussing a rework of the ambassadors
>  join process to have a more "graphical" approach. [1]
>  I made some mockups to show how it could look like. [2]
>  As you can see at the intro page I added some small guys. [3]
>
>  Now the question is:
>  Do you like them or would you like to have more adult ones, like Sirko
>  made? [4]
>
>  Let me know...
>
>  Regards, vinz.
>
>  [1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Joining_Ambassadors
>  [2] http://vinz.fedorapeople.org/join-process/joining-intro.png
>  [2] http://vinz.fedorapeople.org/join-process/
>  [4] http://gnokii.fedorapeople.org/kids-design.png
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[Vinzenz Vietzke]

Am 14.07.2011 23:07, schrieb Christian Bryant:
>  Could we consider a FAQ in this design to address some of these and
>  others' questions? 
That's what the lifebelt in the upper right corner is
intended for.
Maybe a link to a FAQ and a some contact email adresses would make
sense, right?

vinz.
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[Joerg Simon]

On 07/14/2011 10:28 PM, Vinzenz Vietzke wrote:
>  Dear Ambassadors,
>  
>  at the moment the design team is discussing a rework of the ambassadors
>  join process to have a more "graphical" approach. [1] 
clarify from the FAmA View:
"a rework of the presentation of the ambassadors join process"

because the process itself will not change

cu Joerg


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[Pierros Papadeas]

2011/7/14 Joerg Simon <jsimon(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;:
>  On 07/14/2011 10:28 PM, Vinzenz Vietzke wrote:
> > Dear Ambassadors,
> >
> > at the moment the design team is discussing a rework of the ambassadors
> > join process to have a more "graphical" approach. [1]
>
>  clarify from the FAmA View:
>  "a rework of the presentation of the ambassadors join process"
>
>  because the process itself will not change 
Thanks Joerg for clarifying. The process itself is not subject to change.

That been said, we welcome new graphics by Design Team! :)

~p

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[Buddhike Kurera]

Hi,

We can use Kemter's kids.
It is more organized and looking good.

Comic style is good rather being more realistic.



On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 2:42 AM, Pierros Papadeas <ppapadeas(a)gmail.com&gt;wrote:

>  2011/7/14 Joerg Simon <jsimon(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;:
>  > On 07/14/2011 10:28 PM, Vinzenz Vietzke wrote:
>  >> Dear Ambassadors,
>  >>
>  >> at the moment the design team is discussing a rework of the ambassadors
>  >> join process to have a more "graphical" approach. [1]
>  >
>  > clarify from the FAmA View:
>  > "a rework of the presentation of the ambassadors join process"
>  >
>  > because the process itself will not change
>
>  Thanks Joerg for clarifying. The process itself is not subject to change.
>
>  That been said, we welcome new graphics by Design Team! :)
>
>  ~p
>
>  >
>  > cu Joerg
>  >
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[Jukka Palander, IT Development Spain]

On Fri, 2011-07-15 at 06:43 +0530, Buddhika Kurera wrote:
>  Hi,
>  
>  
>  We can use Kemter's kids.
>  It is more organized and looking good.
>  
>  
>  Comic style is good rather being more realistic.
>   
Agree with the comical style, but I also agree Christian Bryant saying
it should be more adult looking.
Current kids pictures reminds me too much about Wii!

I think we are happy people, but we are also serious in what we are
doing so joining into Ambassadors group is not just playing in a
sandbox.

At least I seriously try to get business/professional people into Fedora
(using and/or contributing) and therefore I see that we should be
careful about our look&style that it is not too much from the "gaming
area" and instead being professional so it (=Fedora) can be taken
seriously. How this is done in a comic way - I do not know.

Then again (do not get me wrong) this is a great way to visualize the
whole process so keep going!

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[Kaesar ALNIJRES]

A real great job
I think [2] is especially clear with step1, step2,...
They  are friendly, and stress-less.
Thanks, the design team for the good job.
Regards
Kaesar

On 07/14/2011 10:28 PM, Vinzenz Vietzke wrote:
>  Dear Ambassadors,
>
>  at the moment the design team is discussing a rework of the ambassadors
>  join process to have a more "graphical" approach. [1]
>  I made some mockups to show how it could look like. [2]
>  As you can see at the intro page I added some small guys. [3]
>
>  Now the question is:
>  Do you like them or would you like to have more adult ones, like Sirko
>  made? [4]
>
>  Let me know...
>
>  Regards, vinz.
>
>  [1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Joining_Ambassadors
>  [2] http://vinz.fedorapeople.org/join-process/joining-intro.png
>  [2] http://vinz.fedorapeople.org/join-process/
>  [4] http://gnokii.fedorapeople.org/kids-design.png

[Gregory Fenton]

I have to admit I like the artwork.

That aside, it is not at all professional - if you want a distro seemingly
aimed at kids then make one. I as an ambassador will happily install fedora
for a child, but I aim more for the more mature audience that probably
wouldn't appreciate being told that the bleeding edge OS they are running is
sponsored by the cast of Sesame Street (I know it isn't really, this is just
an example).

If it /does/ get sponsored by Sesame Street can someone get me Big Bird's
autograph please?

Greg

On 15 July 2011 09:05, Kaesar ALNIJRES <akajava1(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:

>  A real great job
>  I think [2] is especially clear with step1, step2,...
>  They  are friendly, and stress-less.
>  Thanks, the design team for the good job.
>  Regards
>  Kaesar
>
>  On 07/14/2011 10:28 PM, Vinzenz Vietzke wrote:
>  > Dear Ambassadors,
>  >
>  > at the moment the design team is discussing a rework of the ambassadors
>  > join process to have a more "graphical" approach. [1]
>  > I made some mockups to show how it could look like. [2]
>  > As you can see at the intro page I added some small guys. [3]
>  >
>  > Now the question is:
>  > Do you like them or would you like to have more adult ones, like Sirko
>  > made? [4]
>  >
>  > Let me know...
>  >
>  > Regards, vinz.
>  >
>  > [1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Joining_Ambassadors
>  > [2] http://vinz.fedorapeople.org/join-process/joining-intro.png
>  > [2] http://vinz.fedorapeople.org/join-process/
>  > [4] http://gnokii.fedorapeople.org/kids-design.png
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[Zoltan Hoppar]

I think the artwork is good, and nice to be targeted that to be little
bit cartoonish. But if we are going this way - no one will believe to
us that we making an bleeding edge system. However, this kind of
artwork is necessary to kids, if we ambassadors are going to schools -
so don't drop this work, make one sheet/or two sided flyers to have
the ability to gain interest for Sugar on the stick, and for early
introductions of Fedora. Btw, we don't have such spin where we giving
an complete Fedora based OS for kids (similarly like Quimo) with
parental control and such - but that time till arrives, might be
handy. Btw. The kids from the Soas banner can be resized and reused?

I like Sirko's work, mostly - except one part. The kid face/head shows
no emotions, and looks like an rag-puppet with wide, dulled opened
glass eyes, so needs to be changed I think somehow. Also I think if
the kid is painting artwork on the picture, then must be a little bit
paint spotted on it's clothes - or some paint drops next to him, and
put the text on painting canvas and scaffolding to show what was the
hard work. Furthermore we have to target not only guys, else girls
too.... So the same way we could have an amabassador, and several
other role sheets if we put something else the the kid hands (like
books for docs team, etc)? So we could have series of info sheets for
different roles. What do you think guys?

PS: for steps - we have the nice phase boxes:
https://fedoraproject.org/w/uploads/9/9c/Fpo-redesign-phases.png

2011/7/15 Gregory Fenton <fedora(a)fedoradvds.com&gt;:
>  I have to admit I like the artwork.
>  That aside, it is not at all professional - if you want a distro seemingly
>  aimed at kids then make one. I as an ambassador will happily install fedora
>  for a child, but I aim more for the more mature audience that probably
>  wouldn't appreciate being told that the bleeding edge OS they are running is
>  sponsored by the cast of Sesame Street (I know it isn't really, this is just
>  an example).
>  If it /does/ get sponsored by Sesame Street can someone get me Big Bird's
>  autograph please?
>  Greg
>
>  On 15 July 2011 09:05, Kaesar ALNIJRES <akajava1(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
> >
> > A real great job
> > I think [2] is especially clear with step1, step2,...
> > They  are friendly, and stress-less.
> > Thanks, the design team for the good job.
> > Regards
> > Kaesar
> >
> > On 07/14/2011 10:28 PM, Vinzenz Vietzke wrote:
> > > Dear Ambassadors,
> > >
> > > at the moment the design team is discussing a rework of the ambassadors
> > > join process to have a more "graphical" approach. [1]
> > > I made some mockups to show how it could look like. [2]
> > > As you can see at the intro page I added some small guys. [3]
> > >
> > > Now the question is:
> > > Do you like them or would you like to have more adult ones, like Sirko
> > > made? [4]
> > >
> > > Let me know...
> > >
> > > Regards, vinz.
> > >
> > > [1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Joining_Ambassadors
> > > [2] http://vinz.fedorapeople.org/join-process/joining-intro.png
> > > [2] http://vinz.fedorapeople.org/join-process/
> > > [4] http://gnokii.fedorapeople.org/kids-design.png
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[Sirko Kemter]

Hello,

Am Freitag 15 Juli 2011, 12:41:51 schrieb Zoltan Hoppar:
>  I think the artwork is good, and nice to be targeted that to be
> little
>  bit cartoonish. But if we are going this way - no one will believe to
>  us that we making an bleeding edge system. However, this kind of
>  artwork is necessary to kids, if we ambassadors are going to schools -
>  so don't drop this work, make one sheet/or two sided flyers to have
>  the ability to gain interest for Sugar on the stick, and for early
>  introductions of Fedora. Btw, we don't have such spin where we giving
>  an complete Fedora based OS for kids (similarly like Quimo) with
>  parental control and such - but that time till arrives, might be
>  handy. Btw. The kids from the Soas banner can be resized and reused?
>  
>  I like Sirko's work, mostly - except one part. The kid face/head shows
>  no emotions, and looks like an rag-puppet with wide, dulled opened
>  glass eyes, so needs to be changed I think somehow. Also I think if
>  the kid is painting artwork on the picture, then must be a little bit
>  paint spotted on it's clothes - or some paint drops next to him, and
>  put the text on painting canvas and scaffolding to show what was the
>  hard work. Furthermore we have to target not only guys, else girls
>  too....  
there are girls between the characters.

http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/art/fedora/postcard-idea_gnokii-kids.png

also colored people

> So the same way we could have an amabassador, and several
>  other role sheets if we put something else the the kid hands (like
>  books for docs team, etc)? 

that is what is planned and there exist some other charcters for different 
roles. translator, art-team. packager and so on

br gnokii

>  So we could have series of info sheets for
>  different roles. What do you think guys?
>  
>  PS: for steps - we have the nice phase boxes:
>  https://fedoraproject.org/w/uploads/9/9c/Fpo-redesign-phases.png
>  
>  2011/7/15 Gregory Fenton <fedora(a)fedoradvds.com&gt;:
>  > I have to admit I like the artwork.
>  > That aside, it is not at all professional - if you want a distro
>  > seemingly aimed at kids then make one. I as an ambassador will happily
>  > install fedora for a child, but I aim more for the more mature audience
>  > that probably wouldn't appreciate being told that the bleeding edge OS
>  > they are running is sponsored by the cast of Sesame Street (I know it
>  > isn't really, this is just an example).
>  > If it /does/ get sponsored by Sesame Street can someone get me Big Bird's
>  > autograph please?
>  > Greg
>  > 
>  > On 15 July 2011 09:05, Kaesar ALNIJRES <akajava1(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
>  >> A real great job
>  >> I think [2] is especially clear with step1, step2,...
>  >> They  are friendly, and stress-less.
>  >> Thanks, the design team for the good job.
>  >> Regards
>  >> Kaesar
>  >> 
>  >> On 07/14/2011 10:28 PM, Vinzenz Vietzke wrote:
>  >> > Dear Ambassadors,
>  >> > 
>  >> > at the moment the design team is discussing a rework of the
>  >> > ambassadors join process to have a more "graphical" approach.
> [1]
>  >> > I made some mockups to show how it could look like. [2]
>  >> > As you can see at the intro page I added some small guys. [3]
>  >> > 
>  >> > Now the question is:
>  >> > Do you like them or would you like to have more adult ones, like Sirko
>  >> > made? [4]
>  >> > 
>  >> > Let me know...
>  >> > 
>  >> > Regards, vinz.
>  >> > 
>  >> > [1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Joining_Ambassadors
>  >> > [2] http://vinz.fedorapeople.org/join-process/joining-intro.png
>  >> > [2] http://vinz.fedorapeople.org/join-process/
>  >> > [4] http://gnokii.fedorapeople.org/kids-design.png
>  >> 
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[María Leandro]

Hello Guys!

As I said in the other thread, I understand that we need some pro-look for
ambassadors but not always. Fedora is compose for engineers, students, fans
and aliens. So, Why don't provide artwork for all of them?

Onyeibo add some awesome graphics for a more corporative look and I will
help him with those, but I believe we have a good team to work on both ideas
since remember.. we also have talks at schools and colleges, and kids are
also part of our little family :)

Pls, feel free to keep adding more ideas so we can develop them and provide
a good bunch of artwork for all needs :)


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[inode0]

2011/7/15 María Leandro <tatica(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;:
>  Hello Guys!
>
>  As I said in the other thread, I understand that we need some pro-look for
>  ambassadors but not always. Fedora is compose for engineers, students, fans
>  and aliens. So, Why don't provide artwork for all of them? 
While I am not advocating a professional look either, or any
particular look for that matter, I just don't think a look that
attracts mostly "fans and aliens" would be best suited for the
*ambassador join page* - there are plenty of other pages where
attracting "fans and aliens" makes a lot more sense to me.

Perhaps my impression of the audience that the ambassadors group wants
to attract and yours are different but I'm not seeing this theme
clicking with the audience I have in mind for the group. Perhaps I'm
also just having a grumpy old man moment.

John

[María Leandro]

>  While I am not advocating a professional look either, or any
>  particular look for that matter, I just don't think a look that
>  attracts mostly "fans and aliens" would be best suited for the
>  *ambassador join page* - there are plenty of other pages where
>  attracting "fans and aliens" makes a lot more sense to me.
>  
Sure, I was talking in general. Remember that the kids idea is for teams
more than for ambassadors. Now that we have a request for it startet by Vinz
we can extend the idea and change a bit the perspective-

>  Perhaps my impression of the audience that the ambassadors group wants
>  to attract and yours are different but I'm not seeing this theme
>  clicking with the audience I have in mind for the group. Perhaps I'm
>  also just having a grumpy old man moment.
>
>  
Once again, Ambassadors like you know what you want to see, and this is the
feedback we need. The same one we ask for the rest of the teams for who we
are doing the posters (including a new one for a robotics project at LATAM)

Without feedback we are just designers drawing for ourselves, not for the
team. So we NEED critiques + ideas. This is the best way to improove :D




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[Cheng-Chia Tseng]

I like vinz's design. I think that the graphic still needs some modifications.

1. Ambassadors are composed of people in different fields (students,
teachers, engineers, etc.) all around the world, so the characters
have to have more unique cultural identities, such as costumes and
races.

2. The bodies and the faces have to be improved, too. They look like
almost the same now.

By the way, I like the idea to have the new artwork.


2011/7/15 María Leandro <tatica(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;:
> >
> > While I am not advocating a professional look either, or any
> > particular look for that matter, I just don't think a look that
> > attracts mostly "fans and aliens" would be best suited for the
> > *ambassador join page* - there are plenty of other pages where
> > attracting "fans and aliens" makes a lot more sense to me.
>
>  Sure, I was talking in general. Remember that the kids idea is for teams
>  more than for ambassadors. Now that we have a request for it startet by Vinz
>  we can extend the idea and change a bit the perspective-
> >
> > Perhaps my impression of the audience that the ambassadors group wants
> > to attract and yours are different but I'm not seeing this theme
> > clicking with the audience I have in mind for the group. Perhaps I'm
> > also just having a grumpy old man moment.
> >
>
>  Once again, Ambassadors like you know what you want to see, and this is the
>  feedback we need. The same one we ask for the rest of the teams for who we
>  are doing the posters (including a new one for a robotics project at LATAM)
>
>  Without feedback we are just designers drawing for ourselves, not for the
>  team. So we NEED critiques + ideas. This is the best way to improove :D
>
>
>
> >
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> > --
> > ambassadors mailing list
> > ambassadors(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
> > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/ambassadors
>
>
>
>  --
>  tatica
>  Maria Gracia Leandro
>  http://www.tatica.org
>  http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:tatica
>  LinuxUser= 440285  GPG Public Key: E1CDCC56
>
>  --
>  ambassadors mailing list
>  ambassadors(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
>  https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/ambassadors
>  


-- 
Sincerely,
by Cheng-Chia Tseng