Another Idea

[Onyeibo Oku]

Actually, This post should be directed to the fedora developers. 
However, since I don't know how to get to them, I'll post it here and
hope someone will point the way.  I also suspect that some Ambassadors
are hackers.

THE ISSUE:
Its tough being an African.  After nearly a year with fedora I feel the
OS will thrive well here without one major setback: Internet Access. 
People here depend on Cyber-cafes for on-line activities.  Most of those
run Windows.  Those who can afford a used desktop/laptop can't afford a
personal broadband plan (in Nigeria, mostly CDMA or GSM).

ONE WAY OUT:
About three (3) years ago, I was aggressively learning Ubuntu.  Being
determined, I frequented the cafe for dependencies, hoping with each
visit to satisfy the needs of an installation.  Often, it took 2-5
visits to get all dependencies.  It was an interesting experience --
bearable because the cafe was a walking distance from home and the
network was good.  Most people are not that privileged.

ANOTHER WAY:
I've often thought it would be nice to have a cross-platform
application/script that can get all the required dependencies for an
offline installation (a YUM away from the target host maybe, ... that
runs off a .exe (for windows), .sh (Linux) and .??? (for mac)).  Ubuntu
has Keryx ... while fedora has ... well ... none that I know of.  In the
absence of a dedicated app like that ... it would be nice to have a
script or yum plugin that outputs all possible deps (with links, maybe)
so wget can do the rest on a different box.  There is wget for Windows. 
No, I dont mean "yum deplist <app>" BUT that could help, see link below.

JUST AN IDEA:
I don't know if I sounded stupid.  If so, I apologize beforehand.
Otherwise, what do you think and how can we achieve this?
I tried finding answers here:
http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=249360
Not conclusive.

Regards

Oku, Onyeibo
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Twohot

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[Lars Delhage]

On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 09:47, Onyeibo Oku <twohotis(a)fastmail.fm&gt; wrote:
>  Actually, This post should be directed to the fedora developers.
>  However, since I don't know how to get to them, I'll post it here and
>  hope someone will point the way.  I also suspect that some Ambassadors
>  are hackers.
>
>  THE ISSUE:
>  Its tough being an African.  After nearly a year with fedora I feel the
>  OS will thrive well here without one major setback: Internet Access.
>  People here depend on Cyber-cafes for on-line activities.  Most of those
>  run Windows.  Those who can afford a used desktop/laptop can't afford a
>  personal broadband plan (in Nigeria, mostly CDMA or GSM).
>
>  ONE WAY OUT:
>  About three (3) years ago, I was aggressively learning Ubuntu.  Being
>  determined, I frequented the cafe for dependencies, hoping with each
>  visit to satisfy the needs of an installation.  Often, it took 2-5
>  visits to get all dependencies.  It was an interesting experience --
>  bearable because the cafe was a walking distance from home and the
>  network was good.  Most people are not that privileged.
>
>  ANOTHER WAY:
>  I've often thought it would be nice to have a cross-platform
>  application/script that can get all the required dependencies for an
>  offline installation (a YUM away from the target host maybe, ... that
>  runs off a .exe (for windows), .sh (Linux) and .??? (for mac)).  Ubuntu
>  has Keryx ... while fedora has ... well ... none that I know of.  In the
>  absence of a dedicated app like that ... it would be nice to have a
>  script or yum plugin that outputs all possible deps (with links, maybe)
>  so wget can do the rest on a different box.  There is wget for Windows.
>  No, I dont mean "yum deplist <app>" BUT that could help, see link below.
>  
Probably not the best mailing list, but anyway there is:

yumdownloader --resolve --urls

Would that do what you want?

Cheers,

Lars
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[Onyeibo Oku]

>  Probably not the best mailing list, but anyway there is:
>  
>  yumdownloader --resolve --urls
>  
>  Would that do what you want?
>  
>  Cheers,
>  
>  Lars
>  -- 
>  Lars Delhage, Nohup AB
>  Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments.
>  See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html
>   
Well, this is embarrassing.  I didn't know that feature was there all
the while, and its almost perfect
All that is needed is a way to pipe the output to a text file and
knowing how to setup a local repo.
Then wget -c --input-file=<textfile-path>

Very Cool -- I think i can handle the rest.  You've made me very happy. 
Thanks
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[Giulio Fidente]

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On 08/19/2010 11:50 AM, Onyeibo Oku wrote:
> > Probably not the best mailing list, but anyway there is:
> >
> > yumdownloader --resolve --urls
> >
> > Would that do what you want?
>  
>  Well, this is embarrassing.  I didn't know that feature was there all
>  the while, and its almost perfect
>  All that is needed is a way to pipe the output to a text file and
>  knowing how to setup a local repo.
>  Then wget -c --input-file=<textfile-path> 
there is also a plugin for yum:

http://yum.baseurl.org/wiki/YumUtils/Plugins/Downloadonly

which downloads the dependencies and keeps them in your repository cache
directory, so you won't have to create any self-made .repo file to
install them later
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[Onyeibo Oku]

On Thu, 19 Aug 2010 15:09 +0200, "Giulio Fidente" <gfidente(a)redhat.com&gt;
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>  On 08/19/2010 11:50 AM, Onyeibo Oku wrote:
>  >> Probably not the best mailing list, but anyway there is:
>  >>
>  >> yumdownloader --resolve --urls
>  >>
>  >> Would that do what you want?
>  > 
>  > Well, this is embarrassing.  I didn't know that feature was there all
>  > the while, and its almost perfect
>  > All that is needed is a way to pipe the output to a text file and
>  > knowing how to setup a local repo.
>  > Then wget -c --input-file=<textfile-path>
>  
>  there is also a plugin for yum:
>  
>  http://yum.baseurl.org/wiki/YumUtils/Plugins/Downloadonly
>  
>  which downloads the dependencies and keeps them in your repository cache
>  directory, so you won't have to create any self-made .repo file to
>  install them later
>  - -- 
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Oh, but you misunderstand the situation.

Here, we discuss a PC without internet access. At most, it has performed
the initial setup of yum cache/metadata ... but that's about it (often
not the case). Subsequently, it must get its packages from another PC
that is far away -- running Windoze (and you're not allowed to boot into
live-USB)! The target PC should be able to list what is needed for a
successful installation so the Administrator can download them while in
town.  Something like that.
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https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Twohot

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[Neville A. Cross]

On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 8:04 AM, Onyeibo Oku <twohotis(a)fastmail.fm&gt; wrote:
>  Oh, but you misunderstand the situation.
>
>  Here, we discuss a PC without internet access. At most, it has performed
>  the initial setup of yum cache/metadata ... but that's about it (often
>  not the case). Subsequently, it must get its packages from another PC
>  that is far away -- running Windoze (and you're not allowed to boot into
>  live-USB)! The target PC should be able to list what is needed for a
>  successful installation so the Administrator can download them while in
>  town.  Something like that. 
I have a couple of experiences to share...

For one installl fest what I did was to do a clean install in one PC,
then set up yum for not delete cache. After that I installed whatever
I guess may be handy. Later I dumped all cache to a dir, and used
createrepo for that dir. Burned all into a CD. At installation time it
was easy to setup the CD as a repository and install everything from
there. This may be used as a add-on CD for custom ising installation.
Think that you can even create your add-on using packages from
rpmfusion if you wish. At Nicaragua we were calling Blue Multi Media
Pack. Other good thing is that this will include updates to several
packages.

Another experience, was to use a LiveUSB at a Internet cafe. Set up to
not delete yum cache. Then you install on the liveUSB the packages
that you want and the you can copy to the desktop all files on cache
and use yum localinstall <package>

Hope this couple of experiences may be useful to some one at some
point were internet is bad

Best regards


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[inode0]

On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 4:50 AM, Onyeibo Oku <twohotis(a)fastmail.fm&gt; wrote:
>  Well, this is embarrassing.  I didn't know that feature was there
> all
>  the while, and its almost perfect
>  All that is needed is a way to pipe the output to a text file and
>  knowing how to setup a local repo.
>  Then wget -c --input-file=<textfile-path> 
You might want to investigate both reposync and createrepo as well.
Armed with just the list of packages it is easy to use reposync to
obtain the packages for your local repo.

John

[Shakthi Kannan]

Hi,

--- On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 1:17 PM, Onyeibo Oku <twohotis(a)fastmail.fm&gt; wrote:
| ANOTHER WAY:
| I've often thought it would be nice to have a cross-platform
| application/script that can get all the required dependencies for an
| offline installation (a YUM away from the target host maybe, ...
\--

I wrote a simple Makefile to get complete Fedora repositories to be
used offline. Try it from:

  http://gitorious.org/fedx

SK

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