Ladies and gentlemen !
You all know there was a FAD meeting two weeks ago in Rheinfelden
between all interested EMEA people (Europe, the Middle East and
Africa). During this meeting, these Ambassadors decided it would be a
good idea to stay in touch with each other.
Then, an IRC meeting is organised, and it's this week on
day : Wednesday, December 12th
time : 20:OO UTC (check
to know your own time depending on your countries)
channel : #fedora-meeting
meeting agenda :
So, if you're an EMEA ambassador, this meeting is for YOU! Update your
agendas, and don't forget to join us.
2 other reminders will be sent tomorrow and wednesday mornings, but
that's not a good reason to update your agenda now :)
Many of you may be aware of Bijra High School Project
[http://www.dgplug.org/intro/bijra] [http://bijra.dgplug.org] of
dgplug [http://www.dgplug.org] .
On 15th November 2007 we had a grand inauguration of the project. The
initial idea was to open the world of computing to poor students .
This has been done using completely free and opensource softwares.
WBUT (West Bengal University of Technology ) and L2C2 Technology lend
us a helping by providing few computers to the school.
An LTSP server running fedora 7 along with few old PIII machines has
been deployed. Not only that as most students lack proper English
knowledge so the whole implementation has been done using bengali
(native language ) BN_IN locale .
The area also lack a proper internet connection so kiwix (offline
wikipedia), wordnet (a dictionary dump) , project gutenburg dvd dump (
collection of english classics) are among the few softwares
implemented to provide a complete education setup . So this help them
not only in learning computers but also in computer aided learning.
West Bengal, India
GPG key : FAEA34AB
Server : pgp.mit.eduhttp://subhodipbiswas.wordpress.com
Hello to everybody, especially to the attendees of the FAD/EMEA 2007,
there was much noise about the FAD/EMEA 2007 on this list before the
event, but not a single word about it afterwards. There are no meeting
minutes in the wiki ether, only some links to private blog postings.
Unfortunately these posts only cover the 'informal' part of the FAD.
So I wonder: What did you guys do in Rheinfelden? Anything you'd like to
share with us?
I think, today is a good day, to tell you something about my (indirect)
success as Fedora Ambassador. When I started working at my current employer
about 1.5 years ago, everything there was running SuSE Linux or SuSE Linux
Enterprise Server. And my workstation got the brand-new SuSE Linux 10.1 on
Then the time for new mailservers came as we're a webhosting provider also
offering e-mail services. In the end, CentOS 5.0 won the comparison of the
different Enterprise Linux distributions - mostly because of the financial
aspect. During the installation of these machines, it was a real progress
to see, that own repositories can be made and Fedora packages can be taken
and rebuilt for CentOS to use them there. As I'm a Fedora Packager as well,
I know how to do such things of course. I started maintaining many of the
packages in EPEL we first tried in our own repository. Some packages are
still not in EPEL, because they somehow conflict with the guidelines, but
that doesn't matter for us. Maybe the upcoming RPM Fusion (the sucessor of
Livna others) will solve these things then.
With the time, it was recognized, that CentOS is just good. It has packages
we need, it works, it has long term support and it has a nice price. On the
other hand, SuSE Linux Enterprise Server started sucking. Xen as delivered
with SLES 10 SP1 isn't that Enterprise ready as Novell told some years ago.
The biggest problem was, that the latest YaST Online Update brought "fixes"
which caused xen-vm-install, the command line utility to create new virtual
machines on SLES, to fail. Unfortunately we were not able to switch back,
because the updated package also contained other fixes, we really needed. I
tried to inform Novell about this programming bug (a typical python error);
but they just told me, that with the update subscription, we only have, we
can't report such things without opening a paid ticket. Wow! Paying money
for reporting bugs they introduced by a lack of QA? In the end, a very nice
guy from the Security Team took the issue and forwarded it internally to
the Xen team (if somebody is interested, it's Novell Bugzilla ID #336779).
The nearly 2 month old bug is still not fixed, because of the wrong support
level we bought. As far as I know, the price for extending the support for
this special case is more expensive rather buying two new SLES packages.
In the mean time, we tried CentOS at some customers and it worked like a
charme: EPEL, CentOS Plus and our own repository. In the end, I had to work
around that Xen bug by rebuilding python-virtinst from CentOS on the SLES
system to get the ability back to create virtual machines without X by an
easy way - it just works perfect. It was the first time, nobody answered my
e-mail on the SLES mailing list after describing the technical details for
this workaround. CentOS provides at least for us the same or better quality
as Novell does with SuSE Linux Enterprise Server, but for free. Of course,
CentOS is "only" a rebuild of Red Hat Enterprise Linux, but if there will
be a heavy critical system, I'm sure, we'll buy a RHEL with subscription.
On the other hand, not buying always a RHEL package/subscription gives us
the possibility to donate the money we save in parts or in whole to the
CentOS or Fedora Project to improve their work and quality further on. And
this also possibly increases the quality of Red Hat Enterprise Linux (in
the case when the donation goes to the Fedora Project, CentOS mostly needs
money for their infrastructure, not for developing bleeding edge stuff).
Please notice, that we're a tiny company having a couple of customers, so
we don't talk about hundreds or thousands of CentOS installations. Let us
see, how many years we will need to achieve the (our) first hundred CentOS
installations at all.
Why I'm talking so much about CentOS here, even it's a Fedora list? Well...
CentOS comes from Red Hat Enterprise Linux and that comes from Fedora. But
to have some real Fedora success, too: My two managers installed their new
laptops with Fedora 8 with encrypted root and swap partitions. Setting this
up is a bit tricky, because it isn't supported by Fedora per default, but
the patches available in Red Hat Bugzilla are great work. The NVIDIA driver
comes from Livna, suspend to RAM and to disk works (even with the encrypted
partitions) and they seem to be happy - at least for now ;-)
Once we re-setup our workstations, Fedora will reach them as well, because
from my point of view, Fedora is more made for workstations, desktop and
development systems. The life cycle is just too short for systems needing
update support without changing the base and core of a operating system
such drastically as Fedora does. Bleeding edge is okay and needed, but for
example our Enterprise Ressource Planning system doesn't like it to get the
whole environment changed every 6 or 13 months.
Note, that I never did guerilla marketing. I lived silently with the non-
Fedora systems and in the end, CentOS really proved itself by fullfilling
the needs, we weren't completely aware of. And when saying (or writing)
that it proved itself, you've to mention, that such big decisions are made
by my managers and not by me. Showing what a Fedora (or CentOS) is able to
do the things was in our case the perfect way - of course it was helpful,
that I've got knowledge of Fedora Packaging for the special things...
Here's the meeting minutes of the FAD 23-25 November 2007:
(see the tarball)
* A legal European entity
to be registered in Germany
* Voted FUDCon at LinuxTag2008
* Voted Centos to be the project with which Fedora will share the FOSDEM devroom
* Presence at various european events
* FAMSCo candidates
* swags and livecd media distribution throughout various events
* more cooperation between Fedora ambassadors from various countries
* Event box
* Fedora Ambassador Meetings
* status of Fedora European contributors with respect to their country.
* Discussed how to improve Fedora participation during EMEA events
* .... the list goes on.
One year later when GeroldKassube initiated the first FAD, we have
seen the number of FAD attendees doubled. During this last FAD, the
attendees volunteered to take responsibilities to lead by example:
* setting new gear to FAMSCo
* relaunch online meeting
Everyone (FAD attendees) will agree with me that we have covered more
discussions (fedora related) that we might have done on IRC.
I now invite everyone to post a url where they have uploaded their photos:)
Hi! I'm new Fedora Ambassador in Poland.
I'm 15 years old, and I'm interesting Linux and classical music. I
using Linux for 2 years and Fedora for 1 year. I hope that Fedora
lives forever, i like it, and i get to promoting Fedora and Open
I used most of Linux distributions, but i think that Fedora is fast
and best :) Fedora have good graphical and text-mode applications
(like pirut, yum). I think that It's good for begginers and for geeks
I want to remember all Fedora Ambassadors that today is the last day to
present their nomination.
I want also you to remember a part of the elections rule:
"In order to hold an election a minimum number of candidates are necessary.
This will be the number of open seats + 25%. If there are 7 seats available,
there will need to be at least 9 candidates. If not enough candidates have
signed up by the deadline, the election will be held back by one week for
more candidates to be nominated. If there are still not enough candidates,
the candidates who are present will be voted upon (or merely confirmed if
there are less candidates than open seats.)"
So actually the candidates are 5, and the total seats are 7 (and it
implies that candidates must be 9).
I invite everyone who want to nominate to make this today.
If tomorrow the minimum number of candidate will not fill, the nomination
period will be held back by one week.
This mail is a reminder for today´s meeting for French ambassadors and
_every_ interested people.
2007-12-02 / 18:30 UTC
Ce mail est un rappel pour la réunion des ambassadeurs francophones,
qui aura lieu ce dimanche (2 déc.) à 20h30 heure de Paris sur IRC
(freenode) #fedora-meeting .
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