Am Mittwoch, 26. März 2008 11:18:33 schrieb Rahul Sundaram:
> Branding is more concerned with marketing. Besides if ambassadors are
> not subscribed to the marketing list, they are not following the
> recommend procedure at
> We don't
> want to cross post either. Refer
I know the guidelines very well! It was only to shift it to the people who
must deal with the consequences of this issue.
And if you want play this odd guideline game, then you must admit, we don´t
want discuss the same topics again and again! (There are a lot more ... )
I want to stop this, because there was enough confusion in the past. And there
are clear guidelines that we are not RedHat - and we don´t want.
i will quote GregdeKoenigsberg:
"The Fedora brand must evolve separately from Red Hat's brand. Fedora is very
important to Red Hat, but Fedora is not Red Hat. It's really crucial to
understand that distinction."
so -1 again.
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I'd like to discuss with all of you the current situation we have in
Italy regarding the Fedora Project and its unofficial communities.
# Fedora-it.org [ http://www.fedora-it.org/ ]
Maintained by ILDN (Italian Linux Distro Network), they provide both a
forum (total users registered: 457) and a mailing list  in which
there are registered, at the moment, 53 users:
- 36 non-digest users
- 17 digest users
# Fedora Italia [ http://www.fedoraitalia.org/ ]
Maintained by one guy, Glauco Zuccaccia; His site provide both news and
a forum. He was one of the guys behind the website maintained by ILDN
before the split (due to internal problems with the other guys, IIRC).
As I wrote above, both of them have also a lot of user base that could
be better helped and trained regarding the Fedora project and its
I already discussed about my thoughts with some of the italian guys that
did a great job with Fedora byNight (members of LOLUG, probably the most
active LUG in Italy at the moment regarding Fedora) and we thought about
have an official mailing list hosted by Fedora itself: fedora-it-list
We could also try to merge existent italian mailing lists regarding
Fedora in fedora-it-list and declare it as 'official'.
Next step with this mailing list would be, definitely, working with the
existent communities and try to establish a bridge where work all
together: OUR goal should be Fedora, how to spread it and how to help
users, not doing personal wars for stupid things! And possibly, an
unified, STRONG, system/community ;-)
We already have an IRC channel on Freenode, #fedora-it, and we would
like to discuss these tings here with other ambassadors and read what
they think about our ideas.
Gianluca Varisco, RHCE
Intern - Web Engineering, Red Hat Italia
Tel.: +39 02 9737 4654 (direct)
+39 02 5681 4487
Fax : +39 02 669 3111
Cel.: +39 333 574 0934
Via Antonio Da Recanate 1
One of the topics that we talked about in the last Ambassadors meeting
was CDs and DVDs for use at the big events that are upcoming in South
April 17-19 FISL
April 26 FLISOL
May 2-4 ENSOL
May 20-21 ESLAM
The status, as I understood it, was:
(1) Artwork has been made that the South American Ambassadors all liked,
and that was quite consistent with Fedora's color and logo guidelines.
(2) There was an opportunity to have 10,000 discs made for *free*, which
is absolutely incredible.
The questions I have:
(1) Who is making sure that the media is produced?
(2) Who is making sure that the media gets to each of the 4 events
(3) Will it be possible to make Fedora 9 media once the final release
comes out (at the end of April)?
(4) Is there anything needed from either FAMSCo or from the Red Hat
Community Architecture team to help with this?
I've just returned from a speaking engagement at Northeastern University
here in Boston MA., USA. This was for the ACM students, Association of
Even though it was midterms time, we had a good 30 students show up for
the talk. I started with a quick history of Linux and GNU and a brief
outline of what makes a Linux distribution. I then went on to compare
and contrast some of today's popular Linux distributions, going over
package management, init systems, governance models,
commercial/community aspects, etc... I then went further in detail as
to what makes up Fedora, and why I feel that Fedora is a very strong
project to contribute to.
After that I did about 30 minutes of question and answer. Many good
questions were asked, such as what is RH/Fedora's relationship with
CentOS, how do we compete with Ubuntu, what return on RH's investment
in Fedora is there, how does the Fedora work make it's way into RHEL,
what is RHEL's release model, and a few other things.
All in all I think it was a very good engagement. The students were
very knowledgeable and interested. Many expressed interest in getting
more information, and potentially interning or otherwise contributing
to Fedora. Every student picked up a Live CD of Fedora 8 as well.
I hope to do more things with Northeastern in the future. They have a
very cool program and some very neat students. Linux is slowly making
it's way into their infrastructure, mostly led by student efforts.
Fedora -- All my bits are free, are yours?
Currently I'm handling Free-media project for Sri Lanka, and Maintaining
Sinhala language for the Fedora.
But I relized that Free-media project is not a total solution for a
Sometimes we are busy with our work. And the Form activation is only one day
But still Free-media project is good. But we can go ahead.
I have proposed to Sri Lanka Linux community to have private mirrors on each
and every university.
Its the 1st phase. As the the 2nd phase putting Fedora mirror on the Sri
Lanka School-net, thats is the official VPN for all the schools in Sri
Please provide a rough idea of space, connectivity and bandwidth assuming a
test case like this.
you host latest stable release
synchronize every two weeks
100 regular users per university
My ultimate target is to cover each and every academic and region IT centers
in Sri Lanka.
Appreciate you earliest response.
During the last FAmSCo meeting  we decided to start a discussion in
this list over F9 Release Event Parties' organization.
We need ideas and suggestions for parties' activities, speeches and
swags (e.g. flayers, USB pens etc.). Moreover we want to know what you
think FAmSCo could give to help you organizing those events.
We also encourage people to find local solutions to burn CDs and DVDs,
due to the (logical) impossibility to have those ones before F9 will
This is a brainstorm, feel free to propose everything could help the
World Wide an, at the same time, your Local Event organization.
We have just set up a wiki page  to collect all those ideas.
Now, its your turn :)
p.s. We are tuned to know F9's Release date.
This mail is a reminder for today´s meeting for French ambassadors and
_every_ interested people.
2008-03-30 / 18:30 UTC
Ce mail est un rappel pour la réunion des ambassadeurs francophones,
qui aura lieu ce dimanche (30 mars) à 20h30 heure de Paris sur IRC
(freenode) #fedora-meeting .
L'ordre du jour est disponible depuis cette page :
N'hésitez pas à la modifier pour rajouter des sujets qui vous semblent
Thomas Canniot <thomas.canniot(a)mrtomlinux.org>
In front of the LinuxTag 2008 is a FAD  like last in 2007. Mostly
for briefing and organizing the open issues about LinuxTag, but there
is a lot of other stuff to discuss about Fedora in Europe, too.
This FAD will be hold at Berlin at May 27, 2008.
Like at the other FADs we would like to have a Country overviews of
the participating countries. Details about all other European
countries are welcome too. Please use this template at the Fedora
wiki . I hope that two months are enough to get this
information...if there are no volunteers I will assign this job to you
Please visit the FAD LinuxTag 2008 page  for more details about the
FAD. Btw, there is a section "Attendees". Add yourself to the list
if you are able to join us at this FAD or you are an attendee at
More details about the exact location and time will follow as soon as
this information is available.
An HTML version of the log is available here:
Here is the raw meeting log:
17:05 < fugolini> Hello
17:05 < fugolini> we can start
17:05 < kanarip> bon
17:05 < iWolf> hi fugolini
17:05 < iWolf> spevack and MrTom and fabian_a are around here somewhere.
17:05 < fugolini> sorry i had some people for dinner but now i'm free
17:06 < kanarip> roll-up?
17:06 * MrTom you did not give them mozzarella :)
17:06 < fugolini> kanarip: yes
17:06 < kanarip> JeroenVanMeeuwen
17:06 < MrTom> ThomasCanniot
17:06 < couf> fwiw: john probably can't make this meeting, he sent a
mail to fedora-docs-list but I think he was talking about this one
17:06 < fabian_a> FabianAffolter
17:06 < fugolini> FrancescoUgolini
17:07 < fugolini> couf: ok
17:07 < iWolf> JeffreyTadlock
17:08 < fugolini> Today agenda:
17:08 < fugolini> 1. Close open issues
17:08 < fugolini> 2. Start new ones
17:08 < fugolini> 1.
17:08 < fugolini> Actually we have three issue on discussion that need
to be complete
17:09 < fugolini> see
17:09 < fugolini> First one:
17:10 < fugolini> Define Fedora Event Budget criterias
17:10 < fugolini> at this point we haven't formalize anything
17:11 < fugolini> During this weekend we will able to close this issue
17:11 < kanarip> nice
17:12 < fugolini> and we will send to Ambs M-L for a review
17:12 < kanarip> even nicer ;-)
17:12 < fugolini> Someone want to say something?
17:12 < fugolini> spevack ? iWolf?
17:13 * kanarip does
17:13 < fugolini> kanarip:
17:13 < kanarip> as we have budget for LinuxTag, here's what we're
doing: we're going to break it down from a general budget for the
event to actual spendings
17:14 < kanarip> think of things like hotel, swag, booth (buildup),
the amount of square footage we have on the event, etc
17:14 < kanarip> although we're not actually spending the money, we're
going to try and keep track of what it is that is being spend exactly
17:15 < kanarip> is that useful for you regarding these guidelines?
17:15 < fugolini> i think we can discuss deeply about this in the next
issue: Event Reporting Guidelines
17:15 < fugolini> but yes
17:16 < kanarip> hmm
17:16 < fugolini> we are working to find some criterias based on the
event and regional activity
17:16 < iWolf> !
17:16 < fugolini> iWolf:
17:16 < iWolf> re: budget, yes, I think when Max posts to the
Ambassador list, that will move us towards being able to close that
17:16 < iWolf> eof
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17:17 < fugolini> So, we can move on the next topic: Event Reporting Guidelines
17:18 < iWolf> !
17:18 < fugolini> kanarip: can you send a detailed mail of what do you want ?
17:19 < fugolini> so we can discuss with more care in the list
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17:19 < fugolini> iWolf:
17:19 < kanarip> fugolini, i might, it's in the EMEA Board meeting minutes
17:19 < iWolf> I think we have the basis for the reporting guidelines
done. We just need to make sure we capture the metrics (i.e. the hard
17:20 < iWolf> I think Max made a few suggestions of what we would
want to capture in the last IRC meeting on Monday.
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17:20 < kanarip> see what it is now; we request budget and get some;
what we're targeting is to request budget with an actual break down on
what it is being spent on
17:20 < iWolf> We probably just need to take those, make sure we
approve and work from there.
17:20 < iWolf> eof
17:20 < fugolini> iWolf: ok, so we can put on vote
17:21 < iWolf> yep, a mailing list vote - we just need to dig the
things Max mentioned from the last meeting.
17:21 < fugolini> yes, that's what i mean
17:22 < fugolini> kanarip: i think this question is related
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17:22 < fugolini> to treasurery
17:22 < kanarip> fugolini, it might, but it's not the reporting we're
targeting with breaking down the budget
17:23 < fugolini> sorry, breaking down?
17:23 < kanarip> fugolini, suppose you see:
17:23 < kanarip> LinuxTag, $20k
17:23 < kanarip> breaking it down would be:
17:24 < kanarip> LinuxTag Hotel for people that help at the booth:
$3k, Booth Footage (hire): $2k, Booth itself: $2k, etc
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17:25 < fugolini> ok, i had understand another thing
17:25 < fugolini> so, it can really help
17:25 < kanarip> right ;-)
17:25 < kanarip> so that's what you'll be getting from us
17:26 * fugolini has a terrible headache (Influence)
17:26 < kanarip> as i think it's one of the majorly important aspects
for budgets assigned to events; you might be able to use it in your
guidelines for requesting and assigning budgets, right?
17:27 < fugolini> yes, it can help Fedora Event Budget
17:27 < fugolini> we split the budget in two three: 1. have some
guidelines 2. determine the budget (usgin guidelines)
17:28 < fugolini> *the budget issue
17:28 < fugolini> *tree
17:28 < fugolini> is ok?
17:29 < fugolini> so, starting the 2nd issue:
17:29 < fugolini> *finishing
17:29 < fugolini> Event Reporting Guidelines: we will vote on M-L and
then we will report Ambs list
17:30 < fugolini> ok?
17:30 < iWolf> +1
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17:30 < fabian_a> +1
17:30 < fugolini> +1
17:30 < MrTom> +1
17:31 < fugolini> next topic: Ambassadors' pages list
17:31 < fugolini> fabian_a makes review many pages
17:32 < fugolini> and i tried to make the best i could
17:32 < fugolini> there are several issues open:
17:32 < fugolini> Local pages
17:32 < fugolini> i found two big trees: EMEA and french pages
17:33 < fabian_a> ?
17:33 < fugolini> Personally i didn't list them in the page
17:33 < fugolini> ok, i try to explain
17:33 < fugolini> if you searxh page under /Ambassadors
17:34 < fugolini> you will find the pages i listed and other pages
like /Ambassadors/EMEA or /Ambassadors/French
17:34 < fugolini> or something similar
17:34 < fugolini> i think due to the type of content to split those
two from the list
17:35 -!- gregdek is now known as gregdek_gone
17:35 < fugolini> asking (see the bottom of
17:35 < fugolini> to make their own lists
17:35 < fugolini> i think it the most correctly way to respect the
17:36 < fugolini> It's ok?
17:36 < iWolf> +1
17:36 < fabian_a> +1
17:36 < fugolini> so, i have sent an email to FAmSCo (in the cleanup
thread) asking for help in this way
17:37 < fugolini> fortunately we have MrTom president of Fedora France
and fabian_a VP of Fedora EMEA
17:37 < iWolf> :)
17:37 < fugolini> i'm asking you to take the reposnability to inform
your respective members
17:38 < fugolini> now we have kanarip
17:38 < fugolini> VP of Fedora EMEA
17:38 < kanarip> pong?
17:38 < MrTom> !
17:38 < fugolini> MrTom
17:38 < MrTom> what do you mena by "make their own list" ?
17:38 < MrTom> eof
17:39 < fugolini> to list all the page in the /ambassadors/french
17:39 < MrTom> ah ok
17:39 < fugolini> and review them
17:39 < MrTom> ok
17:39 < GeroldKa> fugolini, what's up?
17:39 < fugolini> hi mr.president :)
17:40 < fugolini> GeroldKa: is president of fedora EMEA
17:40 < GeroldKa> hello Mr. Chair
17:40 < GeroldKa> fugolini, is chair of FAMSCo
17:40 < fugolini> i was talking about the ambassadors wiki pages under
17:40 < GeroldKa> what can I do for you?
17:41 < GeroldKa> btw. ......
17:41 < GeroldKa> Mr. Chair ....
17:41 < fugolini> we are making a list of /Ambassadors
17:41 < GeroldKa> fabian_a, is DOUBLE-Vice
17:41 < fabian_a> Ambassadors/EMEA there are only 6 pages...
17:42 < GeroldKa> 6 pages of what?
17:42 < fugolini> that's why i'm asking you
17:43 < iWolf> let
17:43 < iWolf> 's move on if we can.
17:44 < fugolini> So i will send a mail with more clarification
17:44 < fugolini> just stay tuned
17:44 < iWolf> +1
17:44 < MrTom> we will :)
17:44 < fugolini> Next week i will send an email to invite the whole community
17:45 < fugolini> to partecipate in the updating process
17:45 < fugolini> some pages, like hp, /SteeringCommittee etc... will
directly managed by FAmSCo
17:46 < fugolini> you can see this in the link i show you before
17:46 < fugolini> Any objection?
17:46 < fugolini> Ok. We can start, briefly, the second part of our meeting
17:47 < fugolini> After a month we have closed our first issues
17:47 < fugolini> but we have to face new ones
17:47 < fugolini> I spoke a lot, i want, first of all, your ideas
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17:48 < iWolf> !
17:48 < fugolini> iWolf:
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17:48 < iWolf> I think FAmSCo needs to put some energy behind your
release parties suggestion.
17:49 < iWolf> we need to make sure to push this idea to the
ambassador community and do whatever we can to help facilitate these
17:49 < iWolf> help them get some flyers, ideas as to what to do at a
release party, etc, etc.
17:49 < fugolini> Yes. I agree with you.
17:49 < iWolf> So I would suggest we work on that in the next few days
on the famsco list and then push those ideas to the ambassadors list.
17:49 < iWolf> eof
17:49 < MrTom> +1
17:49 < fabian_a> +1
17:50 < iWolf> so let's brainstorm some on the list and get some
energy going on that.
17:50 < fugolini> In fact, uring the Marketing meeting, we were asked
to give some updates over this initiative
17:50 * iWolf wonders if we could stage a contest of sorts
17:51 < fugolini> i expect before thursday to have something to report
17:51 < fugolini> iWolf: great idea!
17:52 < fugolini> i think we have first of all to have a map of our action
17:52 < fugolini> i think something like
17:53 < fugolini> 1.Event Organization 2. "Promotional" material 3.
Reporting 4. FAmSCo support
17:53 < fugolini> maybe a wiki could help this brainstorm
17:53 < fugolini> ehehe
17:53 < iWolf> :)
17:54 < fugolini> tomorrow i will send a mail to Ambs M-L
17:55 < fugolini> asking for ideas etc... meanwhile i will create a
wiki page to be used like a sand box
17:55 < fugolini> sounds good?
17:55 < iWolf> that sounds good to me - brainstorming is good and the
wiki will work to bring that together.
17:56 < fugolini> For agenda purpose i need the owners, i think iWolf
you need to be one
17:56 < iWolf> we'll need to move fast on this though, in order to
give people time to plan and announce their party.
17:56 < iWolf> that's fine, you can assign me as an owner.
17:56 < MrTom> !
17:56 < fugolini> the deadline is next mktg meeting
17:56 < fugolini> i will take care of the wiki
17:56 < iWolf> okat
17:57 < fugolini> MrTom:
17:57 < iWolf> s/okat/okay/
17:57 < MrTom> we have to take care of one important information i
think before *announcing parties*
17:57 < MrTom> we are used to make release parties here and i'll be
glad to help on this issue
17:58 < MrTom> but we often had problem concerning the release date
and the release party date
17:58 < fugolini> i read about this concern in the list
17:58 < fugolini> that's true
17:58 < MrTom> as the fedora project has the habit to delay releases,
it is sometimes difficult to benefit from the release happiness for a
17:58 < MrTom> eof
18:00 < fugolini> That's a good question, i think we could ask spot
18:00 < fugolini> but i think we couldn't be sure with 100%
18:00 < iWolf> for parties we do, we sort of announce when we are sure
of a release date
18:00 < iWolf> and usually even then, the party isn't on the actual
release date, but within the following week.
18:00 < MrTom> but we can warn about not making release party the next
day of a general release
18:00 < MrTom> or even a week later
18:00 < iWolf> +1
18:01 < fugolini> What are the main problems:
18:01 < MrTom> as we'll never now, we have to warn and inform
18:02 < fugolini> 1. with a 60% the realease could be delaied
18:02 < fugolini> (that's a number, don't take care of it)
18:02 < fugolini> 2. we could risk to make a party without F9
18:02 < fugolini> but we could use a less stable rawhied or RC
18:03 < fugolini> with all the problem it could have
18:03 < fugolini> *s
18:03 < fugolini> 3. people have to book a place to organize the event
18:03 < fugolini> 4. people have to announce their own events
18:04 < fugolini> i summarize what we have said
18:04 < fugolini> i think we have to decide a deadline
18:04 < fugolini> to say a day
18:04 < fugolini> *a/the
18:05 < fugolini> if we will not sure about the date we will see
18:05 < fugolini> ok?
18:06 < MrTom> ok
18:06 < fugolini> so at this point we have to:
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18:06 < fugolini> 1. Ambs brainstorming on flyers, activites etc.
18:07 < fugolini> 2. Pay attention to the development process and try
to foresee a date
18:08 < fugolini> iWolf: for the contest etc... i think we could
discuss about it in the list, to have more "space"
18:08 < iWolf> fugolini: sounds good to me.
18:08 < fugolini> what's the next?
18:09 < fugolini> i think this week we have just a lot of stuff to
close and a big one to start
18:09 < iWolf> I agree.
18:09 < fugolini> try to focuse on those ones and then see what will happen
18:09 < fugolini> Have you something to say before adjourn the meeting?
18:09 < iWolf> nothing from me.
18:09 < fugolini> Some complaints :), ideas, etc?
18:10 < EvilBob> !
18:10 < fugolini> EvilBob:
18:10 < EvilBob> Just so you know release engineering is concerned
about screwing up release parties
18:10 < EvilBob> it was brought up in their meeting this week
18:10 < EvilBob> EOF
18:10 < iWolf> good deal!
18:11 < MrTom> yep :)
18:11 < fugolini> good
18:12 < fugolini> i think release parties could help the "branding
process" and the "community development"
18:13 < fugolini> community devellopment: creation of a strenght community
18:13 < fugolini> 3
18:13 < fugolini> 2
18:13 < fugolini> 1
18:13 < fugolini> == Meeting Adjourned ==