ambassadors March 2008

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LugRadio Live USA?
by Matt Domsch 10 May '08

10 May '08

Is anyone planning on attending LugRadio Live USA in San Francisco, April 12-13? http://lugradio.org/live/USA2008/ I note several other distributions will be present in the exhibitor space. There is no cost to exhibit. I don't see it on the Ambassadors calendar at present. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents Thanks, Matt

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Re: Co-branding?
by Joerg Simon 14 Apr '08

14 Apr '08

Am Mittwoch, 26. März 2008 11:18:33 schrieb Rahul Sundaram: > Branding is more concerned with marketing. Besides if ambassadors are > not subscribed to the marketing list, they are not following the > recommend procedure at > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Join yes > We don't > want to cross post either. Refer > http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-marketing-list/2007-March/msg00007.ht >ml I know the guidelines very well! It was only to shift it to the people who must deal with the consequences of this issue. And if you want play this odd guideline game, then you must admit, we don´t want discuss the same topics again and again! (There are a lot more ... ) https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-marketing-list/2007-July/msg00086.ht… I want to stop this, because there was enough confusion in the past. And there are clear guidelines that we are not RedHat - and we don´t want. i will quote GregdeKoenigsberg: "The Fedora brand must evolve separately from Red Hat's brand. Fedora is very important to Red Hat, but Fedora is not Red Hat. It's really crucial to understand that distinction." so -1 again. cheers -- Jörg Simon jsimon(a)fedoraproject.org http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JoergSimon Key Fingerprint: 3691 0989 2DCA 58A2 8D1F 2CAC C823 558E 5B5B 5688

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Fedora and Italian communities: What-a-Mess!
by Gianluca Varisco 04 Apr '08

04 Apr '08

Hi guys, I'd like to discuss with all of you the current situation we have in Italy regarding the Fedora Project and its unofficial communities. # Fedora-it.org [ http://www.fedora-it.org/ ] Maintained by ILDN (Italian Linux Distro Network), they provide both a forum (total users registered: 457) and a mailing list [1] in which there are registered, at the moment, 53 users: - 36 non-digest users - 17 digest users # Fedora Italia [ http://www.fedoraitalia.org/ ] Maintained by one guy, Glauco Zuccaccia; His site provide both news and a forum. He was one of the guys behind the website maintained by ILDN before the split (due to internal problems with the other guys, IIRC). As I wrote above, both of them have also a lot of user base that could be better helped and trained regarding the Fedora project and its amazing community. I already discussed about my thoughts with some of the italian guys that did a great job with Fedora byNight (members of LOLUG, probably the most active LUG in Italy at the moment regarding Fedora) and we thought about have an official mailing list hosted by Fedora itself: fedora-it-list We could also try to merge existent italian mailing lists regarding Fedora in fedora-it-list and declare it as 'official'. Next step with this mailing list would be, definitely, working with the existent communities and try to establish a bridge where work all together: OUR goal should be Fedora, how to spread it and how to help users, not doing personal wars for stupid things! And possibly, an unified, STRONG, system/community ;-) We already have an IRC channel on Freenode, #fedora-it, and we would like to discuss these tings here with other ambassadors and read what they think about our ideas. Best Regards, [1] http://www.ildn.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fedora-it-lists.ildn.net -- Gianluca Varisco, RHCE Intern - Web Engineering, Red Hat Italia Tel.: +39 02 9737 4654 (direct) +39 02 5681 4487 Fax : +39 02 669 3111 Cel.: +39 333 574 0934 Address/Indirizzo: Via Antonio Da Recanate 1 20124 Milano

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CDs and DVDs for South America
by Max Spevack 03 Apr '08

03 Apr '08

Hi Ambassadors: One of the topics that we talked about in the last Ambassadors meeting was CDs and DVDs for use at the big events that are upcoming in South America. April 17-19 FISL April 26 FLISOL May 2-4 ENSOL May 20-21 ESLAM The status, as I understood it, was: (1) Artwork has been made that the South American Ambassadors all liked, and that was quite consistent with Fedora's color and logo guidelines. (2) There was an opportunity to have 10,000 discs made for *free*, which is absolutely incredible. The questions I have: (1) Who is making sure that the media is produced? (2) Who is making sure that the media gets to each of the 4 events above? (3) Will it be possible to make Fedora 9 media once the final release comes out (at the end of April)? (4) Is there anything needed from either FAMSCo or from the Red Hat Community Architecture team to help with this? Thanks, Max

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Speaking engagement at Northeastern University report
by Jesse Keating 01 Apr '08

01 Apr '08

I've just returned from a speaking engagement at Northeastern University here in Boston MA., USA. This was for the ACM students, Association of Computing Machinery. Even though it was midterms time, we had a good 30 students show up for the talk. I started with a quick history of Linux and GNU and a brief outline of what makes a Linux distribution. I then went on to compare and contrast some of today's popular Linux distributions, going over package management, init systems, governance models, commercial/community aspects, etc... I then went further in detail as to what makes up Fedora, and why I feel that Fedora is a very strong project to contribute to. After that I did about 30 minutes of question and answer. Many good questions were asked, such as what is RH/Fedora's relationship with CentOS, how do we compete with Ubuntu, what return on RH's investment in Fedora is there, how does the Fedora work make it's way into RHEL, what is RHEL's release model, and a few other things. All in all I think it was a very good engagement. The students were very knowledgeable and interested. Many expressed interest in getting more information, and potentially interning or otherwise contributing to Fedora. Every student picked up a Live CD of Fedora 8 as well. I hope to do more things with Northeastern in the future. They have a very cool program and some very neat students. Linux is slowly making it's way into their infrastructure, mostly led by student efforts. -- Jesse Keating Fedora -- All my bits are free, are yours?

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Fedora private mirrors for Sri Lanka
by Danishka Navin 31 Mar '08

31 Mar '08

Hi All, Currently I'm handling Free-media project for Sri Lanka, and Maintaining Sinhala language for the Fedora. But I relized that Free-media project is not a total solution for a distribution. Sometimes we are busy with our work. And the Form activation is only one day per month. But still Free-media project is good. But we can go ahead. I have proposed to Sri Lanka Linux community to have private mirrors on each and every university. Its the 1st phase. As the the 2nd phase putting Fedora mirror on the Sri Lanka School-net, thats is the official VPN for all the schools in Sri Lanka. Please provide a rough idea of space, connectivity and bandwidth assuming a test case like this. you host latest stable release synchronize every two weeks 100 regular users per university My ultimate target is to cover each and every academic and region IT centers in Sri Lanka. Appreciate you earliest response. Regards, -- Danishka Navin

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F9 Release Events - Call for Ideas
by Francesco Ugolini 30 Mar '08

30 Mar '08

During the last FAmSCo meeting [1] we decided to start a discussion in this list over F9 Release Event Parties' organization. We need ideas and suggestions for parties' activities, speeches and swags (e.g. flayers, USB pens etc.). Moreover we want to know what you think FAmSCo could give to help you organizing those events. We also encourage people to find local solutions to burn CDs and DVDs, due to the (logical) impossibility to have those ones before F9 will be released. This is a brainstorm, feel free to propose everything could help the World Wide an, at the same time, your Local Event organization. We have just set up a wiki page [2] to collect all those ideas. Now, its your turn :) [1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-ambassadors-list/2008-March/msg00210… [2] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/ReleaseEvents Regards Francesco Ugolini p.s. We are tuned to know F9's Release date.

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REMINDER French Meeting today 1830 #fedora-meeting
by Thomas Canniot 30 Mar '08

30 Mar '08

This mail is a reminder for today´s meeting for French ambassadors and _every_ interested people. 2008-03-30 / 18:30 UTC IRC: freenode #fedora-meeting Ce mail est un rappel pour la réunion des ambassadeurs francophones, qui aura lieu ce dimanche (30 mars) à 20h30 heure de Paris sur IRC (freenode) #fedora-meeting . L'ordre du jour est disponible depuis cette page : http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/FrenchTeam/Reunions N'hésitez pas à la modifier pour rajouter des sujets qui vous semblent intéressants. Thomas Canniot -- Thomas Canniot <thomas.canniot(a)mrtomlinux.org>

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FAD LinuxTag 2008 - Country Overview
by Fabian Affolter 29 Mar '08

29 Mar '08

Hi all, In front of the LinuxTag 2008 is a FAD [1] like last in 2007. Mostly for briefing and organizing the open issues about LinuxTag, but there is a lot of other stuff to discuss about Fedora in Europe, too. This FAD will be hold at Berlin at May 27, 2008. Like at the other FADs we would like to have a Country overviews of the participating countries. Details about all other European countries are welcome too. Please use this template at the Fedora wiki [2]. I hope that two months are enough to get this information...if there are no volunteers I will assign this job to you ;-) Please visit the FAD LinuxTag 2008 page [1] for more details about the FAD. Btw, there is a section "Attendees". Add yourself to the list if you are able to join us at this FAD or you are an attendee at LinuxTag. More details about the exact location and time will follow as soon as this information is available. Kind regard, Fabian [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD/FADLinuxTag2008 [2] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD/FADLinuxTag2008/CountryOverview

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FAmSCo IRC Meeting Log - 2008-03-28
by Jeffrey Tadlock 28 Mar '08

28 Mar '08

An HTML version of the log is available here: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/SteeringCommittee/Meetings/2008-0… Here is the raw meeting log: 17:05 < fugolini> Hello 17:05 < fugolini> we can start 17:05 < kanarip> bon 17:05 < iWolf> hi fugolini 17:05 < iWolf> spevack and MrTom and fabian_a are around here somewhere. 17:05 < fugolini> sorry i had some people for dinner but now i'm free 17:06 < kanarip> roll-up? 17:06 * MrTom you did not give them mozzarella :) 17:06 < fugolini> kanarip: yes 17:06 < kanarip> JeroenVanMeeuwen 17:06 < MrTom> ThomasCanniot 17:06 < couf> fwiw: john probably can't make this meeting, he sent a mail to fedora-docs-list but I think he was talking about this one 17:06 < fabian_a> FabianAffolter 17:06 < fugolini> FrancescoUgolini 17:07 < fugolini> couf: ok 17:07 < iWolf> JeffreyTadlock 17:08 < fugolini> Today agenda: 17:08 < fugolini> 1. Close open issues 17:08 < fugolini> 2. Start new ones 17:08 < fugolini> 1. 17:08 < fugolini> Actually we have three issue on discussion that need to be complete 17:09 < fugolini> see fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/SteeringCommittee/Agenda 17:09 < fugolini> First one: 17:10 < fugolini> Define Fedora Event Budget criterias 17:10 < fugolini> at this point we haven't formalize anything 17:11 < fugolini> During this weekend we will able to close this issue 17:11 < kanarip> nice 17:12 < fugolini> and we will send to Ambs M-L for a review 17:12 < kanarip> even nicer ;-) 17:12 < fugolini> Someone want to say something? 17:12 < fugolini> spevack ? iWolf? 17:13 * kanarip does 17:13 < fugolini> kanarip: 17:13 < kanarip> as we have budget for LinuxTag, here's what we're doing: we're going to break it down from a general budget for the event to actual spendings 17:14 < kanarip> think of things like hotel, swag, booth (buildup), the amount of square footage we have on the event, etc 17:14 < kanarip> although we're not actually spending the money, we're going to try and keep track of what it is that is being spend exactly 17:15 < kanarip> is that useful for you regarding these guidelines? 17:15 < fugolini> i think we can discuss deeply about this in the next issue: Event Reporting Guidelines 17:15 < fugolini> but yes 17:16 < kanarip> hmm 17:16 < fugolini> we are working to find some criterias based on the event and regional activity 17:16 < iWolf> ! 17:16 < fugolini> iWolf: 17:16 < iWolf> re: budget, yes, I think when Max posts to the Ambassador list, that will move us towards being able to close that line item. 17:16 < iWolf> eof 17:17 -!- ldimagg__ [n=ldimaggi@nat/redhat/x-7348664fefdebc29] has quit ["Leaving"] 17:17 -!- nim-nim [n=nim-nim@fedora/nim-nim] has quit ["Leaving."] 17:17 < fugolini> So, we can move on the next topic: Event Reporting Guidelines 17:18 < iWolf> ! 17:18 < fugolini> kanarip: can you send a detailed mail of what do you want ? 17:19 < fugolini> so we can discuss with more care in the list 17:19 -!- nim-nim [n=nim-nim@fedora/nim-nim] has joined #fedora-meeting 17:19 < fugolini> iWolf: 17:19 < kanarip> fugolini, i might, it's in the EMEA Board meeting minutes 17:19 < iWolf> I think we have the basis for the reporting guidelines done. We just need to make sure we capture the metrics (i.e. the hard numbers). 17:20 < iWolf> I think Max made a few suggestions of what we would want to capture in the last IRC meeting on Monday. 17:20 -!- nim-nim [n=nim-nim@fedora/nim-nim] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 17:20 < kanarip> see what it is now; we request budget and get some; what we're targeting is to request budget with an actual break down on what it is being spent on 17:20 < iWolf> We probably just need to take those, make sure we approve and work from there. 17:20 < iWolf> eof 17:20 < fugolini> iWolf: ok, so we can put on vote 17:21 < iWolf> yep, a mailing list vote - we just need to dig the things Max mentioned from the last meeting. 17:21 < fugolini> yes, that's what i mean 17:22 < fugolini> kanarip: i think this question is related 17:22 -!- mbacovsk [n=mbacovsk(a)okr2fw.topnet.cz] has joined #fedora-meeting 17:22 < fugolini> to treasurery 17:22 < kanarip> fugolini, it might, but it's not the reporting we're targeting with breaking down the budget 17:23 < fugolini> sorry, breaking down? 17:23 < kanarip> fugolini, suppose you see: 17:23 < kanarip> LinuxTag, $20k 17:23 < kanarip> breaking it down would be: 17:24 < kanarip> LinuxTag Hotel for people that help at the booth: $3k, Booth Footage (hire): $2k, Booth itself: $2k, etc 17:24 -!- than_home [n=than_hom(a)p5B2054BD.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #fedora-meeting 17:25 < fugolini> ok, i had understand another thing 17:25 < fugolini> so, it can really help 17:25 < kanarip> right ;-) 17:25 < kanarip> so that's what you'll be getting from us 17:26 * fugolini has a terrible headache (Influence) 17:26 < kanarip> as i think it's one of the majorly important aspects for budgets assigned to events; you might be able to use it in your guidelines for requesting and assigning budgets, right? 17:27 < fugolini> yes, it can help Fedora Event Budget 17:27 < fugolini> we split the budget in two three: 1. have some guidelines 2. determine the budget (usgin guidelines) 17:28 < fugolini> *the budget issue 17:28 < fugolini> *tree 17:28 < fugolini> is ok? 17:29 < fugolini> so, starting the 2nd issue: 17:29 < fugolini> *finishing 17:29 < fugolini> Event Reporting Guidelines: we will vote on M-L and then we will report Ambs list 17:30 < fugolini> ok? 17:30 < iWolf> +1 17:30 -!- lutter [n=dlutter(a)dsl081-244-080.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has left #fedora-meeting [] 17:30 < fabian_a> +1 17:30 < fugolini> +1 17:30 < MrTom> +1 17:31 < fugolini> next topic: Ambassadors' pages list 17:31 < fugolini> fabian_a makes review many pages 17:32 < fugolini> and i tried to make the best i could 17:32 < fugolini> there are several issues open: 17:32 < fugolini> Local pages 17:32 < fugolini> i found two big trees: EMEA and french pages 17:33 < fabian_a> ? 17:33 < fugolini> Personally i didn't list them in the page 17:33 < fugolini> ok, i try to explain 17:33 < fugolini> if you searxh page under /Ambassadors 17:34 < fugolini> you will find the pages i listed and other pages like /Ambassadors/EMEA or /Ambassadors/French 17:34 < fugolini> or something similar 17:34 < fugolini> i think due to the type of content to split those two from the list 17:35 -!- gregdek is now known as gregdek_gone 17:35 < fugolini> asking (see the bottom of http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/SteeringCommittee/CleanUpPages) 17:35 < fugolini> to make their own lists 17:35 < fugolini> i think it the most correctly way to respect the local autonomies 17:36 < fugolini> It's ok? 17:36 < iWolf> +1 17:36 < fabian_a> +1 17:36 < fugolini> so, i have sent an email to FAmSCo (in the cleanup thread) asking for help in this way 17:37 < fugolini> fortunately we have MrTom president of Fedora France and fabian_a VP of Fedora EMEA 17:37 < iWolf> :) 17:37 < fugolini> i'm asking you to take the reposnability to inform your respective members 17:38 < fugolini> now we have kanarip 17:38 < fugolini> VP of Fedora EMEA 17:38 < kanarip> pong? 17:38 < MrTom> ! 17:38 < fugolini> MrTom 17:38 < MrTom> what do you mena by "make their own list" ? 17:38 < MrTom> eof 17:39 < fugolini> to list all the page in the /ambassadors/french 17:39 < MrTom> ah ok 17:39 < fugolini> and review them 17:39 < MrTom> ok 17:39 < GeroldKa> fugolini, what's up? 17:39 < fugolini> hi mr.president :) 17:40 < fugolini> GeroldKa: is president of fedora EMEA 17:40 < GeroldKa> hello Mr. Chair 17:40 < GeroldKa> fugolini, is chair of FAMSCo 17:40 < fugolini> i was talking about the ambassadors wiki pages under /EMEA/ directory 17:40 < GeroldKa> what can I do for you? 17:41 < GeroldKa> btw. ...... 17:41 < GeroldKa> Mr. Chair .... 17:41 < fugolini> we are making a list of /Ambassadors 17:41 < GeroldKa> fabian_a, is DOUBLE-Vice 17:41 < fabian_a> Ambassadors/EMEA there are only 6 pages... 17:42 < GeroldKa> 6 pages of what? 17:42 < fugolini> that's why i'm asking you 17:43 < iWolf> let 17:43 < iWolf> 's move on if we can. 17:44 < fugolini> So i will send a mail with more clarification 17:44 < fugolini> just stay tuned 17:44 < iWolf> +1 17:44 < MrTom> we will :) 17:44 < fugolini> Next week i will send an email to invite the whole community 17:45 < fugolini> to partecipate in the updating process 17:45 < fugolini> some pages, like hp, /SteeringCommittee etc... will directly managed by FAmSCo 17:46 < fugolini> you can see this in the link i show you before 17:46 < fugolini> Any objection? 17:46 < fugolini> Ok. We can start, briefly, the second part of our meeting 17:47 < fugolini> After a month we have closed our first issues 17:47 < fugolini> but we have to face new ones 17:47 < fugolini> I spoke a lot, i want, first of all, your ideas 17:48 -!- LetoTo [n=paul(a)bofh.xelerance.com] has joined #fedora-meeting 17:48 < iWolf> ! 17:48 < fugolini> iWolf: 17:48 -!- LetoTo [n=paul(a)bofh.xelerance.com] has left #fedora-meeting [] 17:48 < iWolf> I think FAmSCo needs to put some energy behind your release parties suggestion. 17:49 < iWolf> we need to make sure to push this idea to the ambassador community and do whatever we can to help facilitate these parties. 17:49 < iWolf> help them get some flyers, ideas as to what to do at a release party, etc, etc. 17:49 < fugolini> Yes. I agree with you. 17:49 < iWolf> So I would suggest we work on that in the next few days on the famsco list and then push those ideas to the ambassadors list. 17:49 < iWolf> eof 17:49 < MrTom> +1 17:49 < fabian_a> +1 17:50 < iWolf> so let's brainstorm some on the list and get some energy going on that. 17:50 < fugolini> In fact, uring the Marketing meeting, we were asked to give some updates over this initiative 17:50 * iWolf wonders if we could stage a contest of sorts 17:51 < fugolini> i expect before thursday to have something to report 17:51 < fugolini> iWolf: great idea! 17:52 < fugolini> i think we have first of all to have a map of our action 17:52 < fugolini> i think something like 17:53 < fugolini> 1.Event Organization 2. "Promotional" material 3. Reporting 4. FAmSCo support 17:53 < fugolini> maybe a wiki could help this brainstorm 17:53 < fugolini> ehehe 17:53 < iWolf> :) 17:54 < fugolini> tomorrow i will send a mail to Ambs M-L 17:55 < fugolini> asking for ideas etc... meanwhile i will create a wiki page to be used like a sand box 17:55 < fugolini> sounds good? 17:55 < iWolf> that sounds good to me - brainstorming is good and the wiki will work to bring that together. 17:56 < fugolini> For agenda purpose i need the owners, i think iWolf you need to be one 17:56 < iWolf> we'll need to move fast on this though, in order to give people time to plan and announce their party. 17:56 < iWolf> that's fine, you can assign me as an owner. 17:56 < MrTom> ! 17:56 < fugolini> the deadline is next mktg meeting 17:56 < fugolini> i will take care of the wiki 17:56 < iWolf> okat 17:57 < fugolini> MrTom: 17:57 < iWolf> s/okat/okay/ 17:57 < MrTom> we have to take care of one important information i think before *announcing parties* 17:57 < MrTom> we are used to make release parties here and i'll be glad to help on this issue 17:58 < MrTom> but we often had problem concerning the release date and the release party date 17:58 < fugolini> i read about this concern in the list 17:58 < fugolini> that's true 17:58 < MrTom> as the fedora project has the habit to delay releases, it is sometimes difficult to benefit from the release happiness for a release party 17:58 < MrTom> eof 18:00 < fugolini> That's a good question, i think we could ask spot 18:00 < fugolini> but i think we couldn't be sure with 100% 18:00 < iWolf> for parties we do, we sort of announce when we are sure of a release date 18:00 < iWolf> and usually even then, the party isn't on the actual release date, but within the following week. 18:00 < MrTom> but we can warn about not making release party the next day of a general release 18:00 < MrTom> or even a week later 18:00 < iWolf> +1 18:01 < fugolini> What are the main problems: 18:01 < MrTom> as we'll never now, we have to warn and inform 18:02 < fugolini> 1. with a 60% the realease could be delaied 18:02 < fugolini> (that's a number, don't take care of it) 18:02 < fugolini> 2. we could risk to make a party without F9 18:02 < fugolini> but we could use a less stable rawhied or RC 18:03 < fugolini> with all the problem it could have 18:03 < fugolini> *s 18:03 < fugolini> 3. people have to book a place to organize the event 18:03 < fugolini> 4. people have to announce their own events 18:04 < fugolini> i summarize what we have said 18:04 < fugolini> i think we have to decide a deadline 18:04 < fugolini> to say a day 18:04 < fugolini> *a/the 18:05 < fugolini> if we will not sure about the date we will see 18:05 < fugolini> ok? 18:06 < MrTom> ok 18:06 < fugolini> so at this point we have to: 18:06 -!- couf [n=bart@fedora/couf] has quit ["leaving"] 18:06 < fugolini> 1. Ambs brainstorming on flyers, activites etc. 18:07 < fugolini> 2. Pay attention to the development process and try to foresee a date 18:08 < fugolini> iWolf: for the contest etc... i think we could discuss about it in the list, to have more "space" 18:08 < iWolf> fugolini: sounds good to me. 18:08 < fugolini> what's the next? 18:09 < fugolini> i think this week we have just a lot of stuff to close and a big one to start 18:09 < iWolf> I agree. 18:09 < fugolini> try to focuse on those ones and then see what will happen 18:09 < fugolini> Have you something to say before adjourn the meeting? 18:09 < iWolf> nothing from me. 18:09 < fugolini> Some complaints :), ideas, etc? 18:10 < EvilBob> ! 18:10 < fugolini> EvilBob: 18:10 < EvilBob> Just so you know release engineering is concerned about screwing up release parties 18:10 < EvilBob> it was brought up in their meeting this week 18:10 < EvilBob> EOF 18:10 < iWolf> good deal! 18:11 < MrTom> yep :) 18:11 < fugolini> good 18:12 < fugolini> i think release parties could help the "branding process" and the "community development" 18:13 < fugolini> community devellopment: creation of a strenght community 18:13 < fugolini> 3 18:13 < fugolini> 2 18:13 < fugolini> 1 18:13 < fugolini> == Meeting Adjourned ==

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